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> Trump is a monster, he's evil, and he had a less evil position on Gaza than Biden did. lol

by lovich 8mo ago

cogman10 8mo ago
Prove me wrong. Biden had 2 years to address Gaza. What action did he take that was better than Trump's 1 year. I point to the peace negotiations under Trump. Where is Biden's version of that?
- lovich 8mo ago
  The aid to Palestinians. Trump is advocating for a takeover of Gaza and letting the Israelis go nuts in the West Bank. Also lol at peace negotiations, do you think Trump ended 8 wars already as well despite violence still ongoing? We’re in phase 2 of his “peace plan” which requires Hamas demilitarizing, which they say they won’t do, and fighting is still happening. To paraphrase the office, he didn’t say peace he declared it.
  - cogman10 8mo ago
    > The aid to Palestinians. You mean the aid they gave up on delivering? [1] > Trump is advocating for a takeover of Gaza and letting the Israelis go nuts in the West Bank. And Biden simply allowed Israel to do that. Trump is saying the quiet part out loud, but the plan has been the same. Words without actions are meaningless. > Also lol at peace negotiations Yeah, an actual action that happened almost immediately under trump. [2] > do you think Trump ended 8 wars already as well despite violence still ongoing? No, I already said that it was a somewhat meaningless peace negotiation, but one that is measurably more than what Biden accomplished in 2 years. > We’re in phase 2 of his “peace plan” which requires Hamas demilitarizing, which they say they won’t do, and fighting is still happening. They actually did agree to that. [3] There's not ongoing fighting, it's Israel murdering civilians. But because big news organizations have never cared about Israel's war crimes, it is very under-reported. Trump flagging peace was enough for them. I don't like trump and I think this is a travesty. However, he has objectively done more. Biden did nothing for peace in Gaza. And it's not like Biden didn't have a lot of levers to pull. He simply refused to pull any of them because he full heartedly supported Israel's actions. I wish he didn't. Trump at very least cares about the optics of Gaza which is the only reason he's put in the slightest amount of effort. Still genocidal, still supporting Israel, but also at least pushing them to make PR political moves. Which is more than Biden did. [1] https://abcnews.com/Politics/bidens-floating-pier-off-gaza-wound-disappointment/story?id=112107593 https://abcnews.com/Politics/bidens-floating-pier-off-gaza-w... [2] https://news.northeastern.edu/2025/01/16/israel-hamas-ceasefire-trump-impact/ https://news.northeastern.edu/2025/01/16/israel-hamas-ceasef... [3] https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/artc-hamas-reportedly-agrees-to-surrender-weapons-and-tunnel-maps-in-us-mediated-deal https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-terri...
    - lovich 8mo ago
      You should take up a day job in comedy > I don't like trump and I think this is a travesty. However, he has objectively done more. Biden did nothing for peace in Gaza. And it's not like Biden didn't have a lot of levers to pull. He simply refused to pull any of them because he full heartedly supported Israel's actions. I wish he didn't. Trump is advocating for Israel to go whole hog while Biden tried, and I agree failed, to rein them in but Biden is the one you classify as fully supporting their actions? Also in your third source > The source said that Hamas has already handed over arms and tunnel schematics “through a mechanism that has not yet been revealed.” Totally happened bro just trust me You’re also ignoring the air drops for aid, inb4 you yell that people died from the crowds of hungry people rushing in for some food. If you think Trump is better for the Palestinians than Biden despite all evidence and stated goals, then I kinda just think you have a mental issue going on. good luck
      - tdeck 8mo ago
        There's zero evidence that Biden tried, and a lot of evidence that he didn't (including statements by Israeli government officials). What he did was occasionally pretend (not very convincingly) to try, while telling the Israelis something different behind closed doors.
        lovich 8mo ago
        > There's zero evidence that Biden tried… The port that failed and the airdrops of aid mean that you are categorically false. Can you explain to me how Trump was better for Palestinians vs Biden?
        tdeck 8mo ago
        Your claim was that Biden tried to rein Israel in. What do a few token airdrops of aid by the US and the ridiculous pier have to do with that? I'm specifically responding to that claim, I don't have much interest in the "which of these two genociders is slightly better" conversation, but when people try to rehabilitate Biden's image they should know the facts.

> Trump is a monster, he's evil, and he had a less evil position on Gaza than Biden did. lol

by lovich 8mo ago

> Trump is a monster, he's evil, and he had a less evil position on Gaza than Biden did. lol

Prove me wrong. Biden had 2 years to address Gaza. What action did he take that was better than Trump's 1 year. I point to the peace negotiations under Trump. Where is Biden's version of that?

lovich 8mo ago
The aid to Palestinians. Trump is advocating for a takeover of Gaza and letting the Israelis go nuts in the West Bank. Also lol at peace negotiations, do you think Trump ended 8 wars already as well despite violence still ongoing? We’re in phase 2 of his “peace plan” which requires Hamas demilitarizing, which they say they won’t do, and fighting is still happening. To paraphrase the office, he didn’t say peace he declared it.
- cogman10 8mo ago
  > The aid to Palestinians. You mean the aid they gave up on delivering? [1] > Trump is advocating for a takeover of Gaza and letting the Israelis go nuts in the West Bank. And Biden simply allowed Israel to do that. Trump is saying the quiet part out loud, but the plan has been the same. Words without actions are meaningless. > Also lol at peace negotiations Yeah, an actual action that happened almost immediately under trump. [2] > do you think Trump ended 8 wars already as well despite violence still ongoing? No, I already said that it was a somewhat meaningless peace negotiation, but one that is measurably more than what Biden accomplished in 2 years. > We’re in phase 2 of his “peace plan” which requires Hamas demilitarizing, which they say they won’t do, and fighting is still happening. They actually did agree to that. [3] There's not ongoing fighting, it's Israel murdering civilians. But because big news organizations have never cared about Israel's war crimes, it is very under-reported. Trump flagging peace was enough for them. I don't like trump and I think this is a travesty. However, he has objectively done more. Biden did nothing for peace in Gaza. And it's not like Biden didn't have a lot of levers to pull. He simply refused to pull any of them because he full heartedly supported Israel's actions. I wish he didn't. Trump at very least cares about the optics of Gaza which is the only reason he's put in the slightest amount of effort. Still genocidal, still supporting Israel, but also at least pushing them to make PR political moves. Which is more than Biden did. [1] https://abcnews.com/Politics/bidens-floating-pier-off-gaza-wound-disappointment/story?id=112107593 https://abcnews.com/Politics/bidens-floating-pier-off-gaza-w... [2] https://news.northeastern.edu/2025/01/16/israel-hamas-ceasefire-trump-impact/ https://news.northeastern.edu/2025/01/16/israel-hamas-ceasef... [3] https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/artc-hamas-reportedly-agrees-to-surrender-weapons-and-tunnel-maps-in-us-mediated-deal https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-terri...
  - lovich 8mo ago
    You should take up a day job in comedy > I don't like trump and I think this is a travesty. However, he has objectively done more. Biden did nothing for peace in Gaza. And it's not like Biden didn't have a lot of levers to pull. He simply refused to pull any of them because he full heartedly supported Israel's actions. I wish he didn't. Trump is advocating for Israel to go whole hog while Biden tried, and I agree failed, to rein them in but Biden is the one you classify as fully supporting their actions? Also in your third source > The source said that Hamas has already handed over arms and tunnel schematics “through a mechanism that has not yet been revealed.” Totally happened bro just trust me You’re also ignoring the air drops for aid, inb4 you yell that people died from the crowds of hungry people rushing in for some food. If you think Trump is better for the Palestinians than Biden despite all evidence and stated goals, then I kinda just think you have a mental issue going on. good luck
    - tdeck 8mo ago
      There's zero evidence that Biden tried, and a lot of evidence that he didn't (including statements by Israeli government officials). What he did was occasionally pretend (not very convincingly) to try, while telling the Israelis something different behind closed doors.
      - lovich 8mo ago
        > There's zero evidence that Biden tried… The port that failed and the airdrops of aid mean that you are categorically false. Can you explain to me how Trump was better for Palestinians vs Biden?
        tdeck 8mo ago
        Your claim was that Biden tried to rein Israel in. What do a few token airdrops of aid by the US and the ridiculous pier have to do with that? I'm specifically responding to that claim, I don't have much interest in the "which of these two genociders is slightly better" conversation, but when people try to rehabilitate Biden's image they should know the facts.