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Kagi has tons of results from Reddit and they're always high and relevant. I don't know if this means they're doing it even though they're "not allowed to" or w

Kagi has tons of results from Reddit and they're always high and relevant. I don't know if this means they're doing it even though they're "not allowed to" or what but they definitely get it somehow.

kyleee 7mo ago
Kagi is probably paying Google for those results?
- LeonenTheDK 7mo ago
  When that news first went out, the article[0] I read at the time said that Kagi does purchase some of its indexing from Google. [0] https://www.404media.co/email/4650b997-7cc3-4578-834c-7e663ed3d516/ https://www.404media.co/email/4650b997-7cc3-4578-834c-7e663e...
- monooso 7mo ago
  I responded to another comment in this thread with the details, but in summary, no. See this previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708678
hoppyhoppy2 7mo ago
Kagi's search results (at least used to) include many Google search results mixed in with results from other sources. That used to be explained on Kagi's main webpage, but I don't see it there now. (And I don't know who pays whom for what in that type of arrangement.)
- AlotOfReading 7mo ago
  Kagi uses a third party API that scrapes Google results for their searches. Possibly SerpAPI? Either way, Google doesn't get paid because you can't pay for the kind of search access they want.
sethops1 7mo ago
Kagi sources their search results from Google.
- monooso 7mo ago
  This is false. Kagi had a post discussing this which made the front page of HN about a month ago [1]: > Google does not offer a public search API. The only available path is an ad-syndication bundle with no changes to result presentation - the model Startpage uses. Ad syndication is a non-starter for Kagi’s ad-free subscription model. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708678
  - _23sd 7mo ago
    For the purposes of the discussion at hand, yes some results do ultimately come from Google, just via third-party SERP providers rather than Kagi paying Google for access since Google doesn't offer their own public API (and neither does Bing anymore).
  - rpdillon 7mo ago
    Some very dodgy wording here. > Because direct licensing isn’t available to us on compatible terms, we - like many others - use third-party API providers for SERP-style results (SERP meaning search engine results page). These providers serve major enterprises (according to their websites) including Nvidia, Adobe, Samsung, Stanford, DeepMind, Uber, and the United Nations. > This is not our preferred solution. We plan to exit it as soon as direct, contractual access becomes available. There is no legitimate, paid path to comprehensive Google or Bing results for a company like Kagi. Our position is clear: open the search index, make it available on FRAND terms, and enable rapid innovation in the marketplace. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/kagi-vs-google.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/kagi-vs-google.html
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Kagi has tons of results from Reddit and they're always high and relevant. I don't know if this means they're doing it even though they're "not allowed to" or what but they definitely get it somehow.

kyleee 7mo ago

Kagi is probably paying Google for those results?

LeonenTheDK 7mo ago
When that news first went out, the article[0] I read at the time said that Kagi does purchase some of its indexing from Google. [0] https://www.404media.co/email/4650b997-7cc3-4578-834c-7e663ed3d516/ https://www.404media.co/email/4650b997-7cc3-4578-834c-7e663e...
monooso 7mo ago
I responded to another comment in this thread with the details, but in summary, no. See this previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708678

hoppyhoppy2 7mo ago

Kagi's search results (at least used to) include many Google search results mixed in with results from other sources. That used to be explained on Kagi's main webpage, but I don't see it there now. (And I don't know who pays whom for what in that type of arrangement.)

AlotOfReading 7mo ago
Kagi uses a third party API that scrapes Google results for their searches. Possibly SerpAPI? Either way, Google doesn't get paid because you can't pay for the kind of search access they want.

sethops1 7mo ago

Kagi sources their search results from Google.

monooso 7mo ago
This is false. Kagi had a post discussing this which made the front page of HN about a month ago [1]: > Google does not offer a public search API. The only available path is an ad-syndication bundle with no changes to result presentation - the model Startpage uses. Ad syndication is a non-starter for Kagi’s ad-free subscription model. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708678
- _23sd 7mo ago
  For the purposes of the discussion at hand, yes some results do ultimately come from Google, just via third-party SERP providers rather than Kagi paying Google for access since Google doesn't offer their own public API (and neither does Bing anymore).
- rpdillon 7mo ago
  Some very dodgy wording here. > Because direct licensing isn’t available to us on compatible terms, we - like many others - use third-party API providers for SERP-style results (SERP meaning search engine results page). These providers serve major enterprises (according to their websites) including Nvidia, Adobe, Samsung, Stanford, DeepMind, Uber, and the United Nations. > This is not our preferred solution. We plan to exit it as soon as direct, contractual access becomes available. There is no legitimate, paid path to comprehensive Google or Bing results for a company like Kagi. Our position is clear: open the search index, make it available on FRAND terms, and enable rapid innovation in the marketplace. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/kagi-vs-google.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/kagi-vs-google.html
- deleted 7mo ago
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