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There is no such thing. That's a fantasy term used by deluded people to signal a particular virtue.

mindslight 7mo ago
... signal a particular vice. It's vice signalling. We generally think of war as bad and try to avoid it, most especially the people tasked with fighting said wars. Nothing has changed about the performative-ness, in fact if anything it's gotten more performative and hollow. They just signal vices rather than virtues, so a bunch of rightist-flavored-Lenin's useful idiots think it is fresh or effective or anti-"woke" or at least different.
- jvandreae 7mo ago
  Ah, yes, the Orwellian newspeak that is the phrase "Department of Defense" is something worth protecting. What next, the Ministry of Truth? I don't really give any weight to what a leftist considers a vice or a virtue.
  - mindslight 7mo ago
    The "Orwellian newspeak" at least makes an effort to aim for positive values, despite falling short. That's the point. Also, please define what you mean by "leftist". These days it seems like it gets applied to anybody who believes in Constitutionally-limited government and the rule of law. That used to just be called being an American, but social media is a hell of a drug.
b112 7mo ago
I keep seeing DOW everywhere, and honestly had no idea it wasn't a legal namechange yet (or ever). There's even a webpage for it. So cut the guy some slack. No one knows wtf is actually going on these days.
- mindslight 7mo ago
  With a malevolent agent in the bully pulpit deliberately swamping the American zeitgeist with hostile nonsense ("flood the zone with shit"), it has become every American's duty to be on guard to avoid propagating the regime's bullshit. We are indeed at war, an information war of the US elites against We The People. So buck up.
  - b112 7mo ago
    I'm not american, and further, whether a department name change is a primary name change, or an alias slapped on, seems pretty low on the list of things to care about.
    - mindslight 7mo ago
      Is your argument that you're not involved enough in American politics to have responsible opinions about it, even though you're involved enough to comment in the first place? I agree this in isolation is low stakes. The problem is the volume. The memetic assault is everywhere you turn, and propagating it helps the regime. And yes, it's far too easy to do accidentally. That doesn't mean we shouldn't appreciate others calling it out.
      - b112 7mo ago
        Is your argument that you're not involved enough in American politics to have responsible opinions about it, even though you're involved enough to comment in the first place? I wonder who or what you're replying to here. Certainly, it has no relation to anything I've said in this thread. That doesn't mean we shouldn't appreciate others calling it out. Again, who are you replying to with this? I said "take it easy", not "don't ever bring that up".
        mindslight 7mo ago
        You said "I'm not american" as the lead in to your comment. What was the point of saying this other than to disclaim the responsibility I invoked? (which technically wasn't even directed at you directly) For the overall argument, you called out a comment for calling out a comment whose only contribution was to promote the term "DOW". If it had been a substantive comment that someone jumped on for merely using the term, you'd have had a reasonable point. But it wasn't.
LordDragonfang 7mo ago
Also by the people that just work there(, man). I mean, as dumb as it is, there is a certain musicality to hearing someone with a southern accent sardonically call it the dee-oh-dubya.
croes 7mo ago
Pretty ironic that this is coming from the same people that are opposing preferred pronouns and like to deadname people.

... signal a particular vice. It's vice signalling. We generally think of war as bad and try to avoid it, most especially the people tasked with fighting said wars. Nothing has changed about the performative-ness, in fact if anything it's gotten more performative and hollow. They just signal vices rather than virtues, so a bunch of rightist-flavored-Lenin's useful idiots think it is fresh or effective or anti-"woke" or at least different.

jvandreae 7mo ago
Ah, yes, the Orwellian newspeak that is the phrase "Department of Defense" is something worth protecting. What next, the Ministry of Truth? I don't really give any weight to what a leftist considers a vice or a virtue.
- mindslight 7mo ago
  The "Orwellian newspeak" at least makes an effort to aim for positive values, despite falling short. That's the point. Also, please define what you mean by "leftist". These days it seems like it gets applied to anybody who believes in Constitutionally-limited government and the rule of law. That used to just be called being an American, but social media is a hell of a drug.

b112 7mo ago

I keep seeing DOW everywhere, and honestly had no idea it wasn't a legal namechange yet (or ever). There's even a webpage for it. So cut the guy some slack. No one knows wtf is actually going on these days.

mindslight 7mo ago
With a malevolent agent in the bully pulpit deliberately swamping the American zeitgeist with hostile nonsense ("flood the zone with shit"), it has become every American's duty to be on guard to avoid propagating the regime's bullshit. We are indeed at war, an information war of the US elites against We The People. So buck up.
- b112 7mo ago
  I'm not american, and further, whether a department name change is a primary name change, or an alias slapped on, seems pretty low on the list of things to care about.
  - mindslight 7mo ago
    Is your argument that you're not involved enough in American politics to have responsible opinions about it, even though you're involved enough to comment in the first place? I agree this in isolation is low stakes. The problem is the volume. The memetic assault is everywhere you turn, and propagating it helps the regime. And yes, it's far too easy to do accidentally. That doesn't mean we shouldn't appreciate others calling it out.
    - b112 7mo ago
      Is your argument that you're not involved enough in American politics to have responsible opinions about it, even though you're involved enough to comment in the first place? I wonder who or what you're replying to here. Certainly, it has no relation to anything I've said in this thread. That doesn't mean we shouldn't appreciate others calling it out. Again, who are you replying to with this? I said "take it easy", not "don't ever bring that up".
      - mindslight 7mo ago
        You said "I'm not american" as the lead in to your comment. What was the point of saying this other than to disclaim the responsibility I invoked? (which technically wasn't even directed at you directly) For the overall argument, you called out a comment for calling out a comment whose only contribution was to promote the term "DOW". If it had been a substantive comment that someone jumped on for merely using the term, you'd have had a reasonable point. But it wasn't.

LordDragonfang 7mo ago

Also by the people that just work there(, man). I mean, as dumb as it is, there is a certain musicality to hearing someone with a southern accent sardonically call it the dee-oh-dubya.

croes 7mo ago

Pretty ironic that this is coming from the same people that are opposing preferred pronouns and like to deadname people.