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This whole standoff could set a very important precedent of the Trump administration not getting what they want, and not in a "maneuvered out of the news spotli

by nubg 8mo ago

This whole standoff could set a very important precedent of the Trump administration not getting what they want, and not in a "maneuvered out of the news spotlight" kind of way (e.g. Greenland), but in a public "FUCK OFF right in your face" kind of way. The worst that can happen to Anthropic is one of the two things mentioned; loosing some contracts or some fake forced management from the Pentagon. maybe Dario having to leave, certainly a loss for him and people who believe in him but probably nothing world-changing. The worst that can happen to the Trump administration is the beginning of its end, when people realize you can simply stand up to their bullying and with all the standoffs they have going on in parallel, maybe they will die a death by a thousand cuts?

cindyllm 8mo ago
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tokai 8mo ago
>not in a "maneuvered out of the news spotlight" kind of way (e.g. Greenland) I what world has the Greenland stuff been anything but a fuckoff?
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > I what world has the Greenland stuff been anything but a fuckoff? The world in which Europe didn't respond, Americans didn't flip out and Congress didn't push back.
  - tokai 8mo ago
    US was told directly that its not happening. You had the military excisise that scared Trump so much that he ordered extra tariffs. Just because you don't follow the news doesn't make it that there wasn't any response.
    - vkou 8mo ago
      He chickened out on the extra tariffs, too.
  - mrexcess 8mo ago
    >Europe didn't respond https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/danish-mep-tells-trump-to-f-off-over-greenland-annexation-plan-at-eu-parliament-anders-vistisen-parliamentary-allies-tariffs-ursula-von-der-leyen-davos-switzerland-world-economic-forum-china-russia-national-security https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/danish-mep-tells-trum...
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      Right. We're in the world in which "the Greenland stuff" has not "been anything but a fuckoff."
mlsu 8mo ago
The executives at these huge corporations already know that they can stand up to the Trump administration, and that it will fold immediately. "TACO" is printed in the Wall St. Journal. They willingly don't, because they know that they can use the administration to cement their market power. The surveillance state being built is one where would-be competitors, labor, well-meaning reformists, can be crushed on a whim for sham political reasons. A massive contraction of USA wealth, influence, and power, a loss of our living standard and place in the world -- that is the price everyone else has to pay, to keep the existing power structure in place. They will not release their grip on the wheel. Not until the ship hits the bottom of the sea.
- PaulDavisThe1st 8mo ago
  If that is the bet they are placing, it is a bet they will lose. The power and capabilities of US corporations does not rest solely on those corporations, and as the wealth, influence and power of the USA undergoes "a massive contraction", they will find themselves similarly degraded. They might be the big fish in the big pond, but only because everyone knows there's a bigger fish (the US government). Once other countries, and other corporations, no longer care much what the US government thinks, US corporations will find themselves in a very, very different situation.
  - mlsu 8mo ago
    Of course! I think at some level the people at the top know that this American capitalism is not competitive. The last 5 years or so have been basically the whole country realizing that our system is not competitive. And, the last 1-2 years have been collectively, the world re-calibrating on this fact. The monopolists don't care though. The power is too intoxicating. I mean, listen to discussions here. "What's your moat?" -- that's how American capitalists think. Not "What value does your company provide to the customer", but what extra force, beyond simple-minded fair market competition, are you leveraging, to ensnare the customer. The game is to ensure that customers cannot choose another business over yours on its merits. That works in the short term but it's extractive. Eventually, the parasite must stop sucking blood for the host to survive.
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chasd00 8mo ago
> The worst that can happen to Anthropic The corporate death sentence usually goes something like "anyone who does business with Anthropic cannot do business with the US government". That pretty much means all the hyperscalers, major infrastructure providers, major software providers, and major corporations. They all have to choose between the entire US gov and all those contracts and a single AI company. That's the worst that can happen to Anthropic.
- shimman 8mo ago
  I hope this happens because it gives the next democratic administration more ammunition in abolishing corporate supremacy.

by nubg 8mo ago

cindyllm 8mo ago

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tokai 8mo ago

>not in a "maneuvered out of the news spotlight" kind of way (e.g. Greenland) I what world has the Greenland stuff been anything but a fuckoff?

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> I what world has the Greenland stuff been anything but a fuckoff? The world in which Europe didn't respond, Americans didn't flip out and Congress didn't push back.
- tokai 8mo ago
  US was told directly that its not happening. You had the military excisise that scared Trump so much that he ordered extra tariffs. Just because you don't follow the news doesn't make it that there wasn't any response.
  - vkou 8mo ago
    He chickened out on the extra tariffs, too.
- mrexcess 8mo ago
  >Europe didn't respond https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/danish-mep-tells-trump-to-f-off-over-greenland-annexation-plan-at-eu-parliament-anders-vistisen-parliamentary-allies-tariffs-ursula-von-der-leyen-davos-switzerland-world-economic-forum-china-russia-national-security https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/danish-mep-tells-trum...
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    Right. We're in the world in which "the Greenland stuff" has not "been anything but a fuckoff."

mlsu 8mo ago

The executives at these huge corporations already know that they can stand up to the Trump administration, and that it will fold immediately. "TACO" is printed in the Wall St. Journal. They willingly don't, because they know that they can use the administration to cement their market power. The surveillance state being built is one where would-be competitors, labor, well-meaning reformists, can be crushed on a whim for sham political reasons. A massive contraction of USA wealth, influence, and power, a loss of our living standard and place in the world -- that is the price everyone else has to pay, to keep the existing power structure in place. They will not release their grip on the wheel. Not until the ship hits the bottom of the sea.

PaulDavisThe1st 8mo ago
If that is the bet they are placing, it is a bet they will lose. The power and capabilities of US corporations does not rest solely on those corporations, and as the wealth, influence and power of the USA undergoes "a massive contraction", they will find themselves similarly degraded. They might be the big fish in the big pond, but only because everyone knows there's a bigger fish (the US government). Once other countries, and other corporations, no longer care much what the US government thinks, US corporations will find themselves in a very, very different situation.
- mlsu 8mo ago
  Of course! I think at some level the people at the top know that this American capitalism is not competitive. The last 5 years or so have been basically the whole country realizing that our system is not competitive. And, the last 1-2 years have been collectively, the world re-calibrating on this fact. The monopolists don't care though. The power is too intoxicating. I mean, listen to discussions here. "What's your moat?" -- that's how American capitalists think. Not "What value does your company provide to the customer", but what extra force, beyond simple-minded fair market competition, are you leveraging, to ensnare the customer. The game is to ensure that customers cannot choose another business over yours on its merits. That works in the short term but it's extractive. Eventually, the parasite must stop sucking blood for the host to survive.

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chasd00 8mo ago

> The worst that can happen to Anthropic The corporate death sentence usually goes something like "anyone who does business with Anthropic cannot do business with the US government". That pretty much means all the hyperscalers, major infrastructure providers, major software providers, and major corporations. They all have to choose between the entire US gov and all those contracts and a single AI company. That's the worst that can happen to Anthropic.

shimman 8mo ago
I hope this happens because it gives the next democratic administration more ammunition in abolishing corporate supremacy.