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Feels pretty Luddite to me. I remember when people were crying about how much power a google search uses. This is the same thing all over again and it is as po

Feels pretty Luddite to me. I remember when people were crying about how much power a google search uses. This is the same thing all over again and it is as pointless now as it was back then. https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/08/google-says-it-dropped-the-energy-cost-of-ai-queries-by-33x-in-one-year/ https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/08/google-says-it-dropped-th... > Google says it dropped the energy cost of AI queries by 33x in one year. The company claims that a text query now burns the equivalent of 9 seconds of TV.

idiotsecant 7mo ago
No, it's entirely justified when quality of code matters. They don't want a thousand gallons of unreviewable slop. They want a reasonable amount of code that can be sensibility reviewed.
- fartfeatures 7mo ago
  There are ways to achieve that without a blanket ban, if you read their AI policy it seems more "ethically" motivated. They certainly address this first, with many more words and 7 references. They do go on to address code quality but it is more of an after thought with 0 references, less words and appears lower down the page. The timing is also suspicious, shortly after publication of this report: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-market-set-biggest-ever-decline-2026-memory-price-surge-idc-says-2026-02-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-ma... which forecasts declining smartphone sales meaning less devices for this OS to run on.
  - mftrhu 7mo ago
    > The timing is also suspicious, shortly after publication of this report: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-ma https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-ma... which forecasts declining smartphone sales meaning less devices for this OS to run on. Why would declining sales of new smartphones have anything to do with PostMarketOS, which only supports phones more than half a decade old?
    - zozbot234 7mo ago
      pmOS does support recent phones, provided that they can be bootloader-unlocked - and that's only a few brands these days.
      - mftrhu 7mo ago
        Right now, their wiki page on device support [0] lists zero actual devices as "fully supported": > These are the most supported devices, maintained by at least 2 people and have the functions you expect from the device running its normal OS, such as calling on a phone, working audio, and a functional UI. > Besides QEMU devices, this is currently empty. The ports we had here earlier weren't as reliable as we would have liked. We plan to add new devices here with a higher standard. The most recent smartphone in the Community section of that page is the Fairphone 4, released half a decade ago, in 2021. Pixel devices can trivially be bootloader unlocked, but that doesn't make the work that goes into supporting them much easier: the latest device in Testing is the 6a/6 Pro, from 2022, and its device page lists all the features but the most basic (touchscreen, flash, internal storage) as "Untested". [0] https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices
    - fartfeatures 7mo ago
      PostmarketOS doesn't exist in a vacuum. It’s the final stage of a device's life cycle. If the initial sales of new devices decline, the pool of available hardware for enthusiasts to tinker with in five years will be significantly smaller.
      - mftrhu 7mo ago
        Yes. In five years, once the PMOS devs manage to get a 2025 device in working state, they might have less devices to play around with, so there could be an indirect effect on the project. What I struggle to believe - what I don't believe - is that there any sort of connection between the report about likely declining sales and PMOS' announcement.
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 7mo ago
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  - idiotsecant 7mo ago
    This is incredibly simple. If a project doesn't want machine generated code, don't force machine generated code into the project. This isn't anything here that warrants multiple paragraphs of freakout.
kruffalon 7mo ago
The audacity to call an organisation that works on making mobile phones and other small PCs work with free software Luddite is impressive. That's like calling a person going for seconds a conservative (in the USA political sense).
- bitwize 7mo ago
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  - fruitworks 7mo ago
    I don't think you understand what the job entails, if you think these are the best tools

idiotsecant 7mo ago

No, it's entirely justified when quality of code matters. They don't want a thousand gallons of unreviewable slop. They want a reasonable amount of code that can be sensibility reviewed.

fartfeatures 7mo ago
There are ways to achieve that without a blanket ban, if you read their AI policy it seems more "ethically" motivated. They certainly address this first, with many more words and 7 references. They do go on to address code quality but it is more of an after thought with 0 references, less words and appears lower down the page. The timing is also suspicious, shortly after publication of this report: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-market-set-biggest-ever-decline-2026-memory-price-surge-idc-says-2026-02-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-ma... which forecasts declining smartphone sales meaning less devices for this OS to run on.
- mftrhu 7mo ago
  > The timing is also suspicious, shortly after publication of this report: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-ma https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-ma... which forecasts declining smartphone sales meaning less devices for this OS to run on. Why would declining sales of new smartphones have anything to do with PostMarketOS, which only supports phones more than half a decade old?
  - zozbot234 7mo ago
    pmOS does support recent phones, provided that they can be bootloader-unlocked - and that's only a few brands these days.
    - mftrhu 7mo ago
      Right now, their wiki page on device support [0] lists zero actual devices as "fully supported": > These are the most supported devices, maintained by at least 2 people and have the functions you expect from the device running its normal OS, such as calling on a phone, working audio, and a functional UI. > Besides QEMU devices, this is currently empty. The ports we had here earlier weren't as reliable as we would have liked. We plan to add new devices here with a higher standard. The most recent smartphone in the Community section of that page is the Fairphone 4, released half a decade ago, in 2021. Pixel devices can trivially be bootloader unlocked, but that doesn't make the work that goes into supporting them much easier: the latest device in Testing is the 6a/6 Pro, from 2022, and its device page lists all the features but the most basic (touchscreen, flash, internal storage) as "Untested". [0] https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices
  - fartfeatures 7mo ago
    PostmarketOS doesn't exist in a vacuum. It’s the final stage of a device's life cycle. If the initial sales of new devices decline, the pool of available hardware for enthusiasts to tinker with in five years will be significantly smaller.
    - mftrhu 7mo ago
      Yes. In five years, once the PMOS devs manage to get a 2025 device in working state, they might have less devices to play around with, so there could be an indirect effect on the project. What I struggle to believe - what I don't believe - is that there any sort of connection between the report about likely declining sales and PMOS' announcement.
UqWBcuFx6NV4r 7mo ago
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- idiotsecant 7mo ago
  This is incredibly simple. If a project doesn't want machine generated code, don't force machine generated code into the project. This isn't anything here that warrants multiple paragraphs of freakout.

kruffalon 7mo ago

The audacity to call an organisation that works on making mobile phones and other small PCs work with free software Luddite is impressive. That's like calling a person going for seconds a conservative (in the USA political sense).

bitwize 7mo ago
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- fruitworks 7mo ago
  I don't think you understand what the job entails, if you think these are the best tools