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It absolutely does hold water - I've been sounding the alarm about Flock long before Trump took office. It took years to build out that network, it didn't happe

It absolutely does hold water - I've been sounding the alarm about Flock long before Trump took office. It took years to build out that network, it didn't happen overnight.

bdangubic 8mo ago
I apologize if my comment was not clear - I am not saying that both political parties are not same shit when it comes to surveillance and shit like that. but here on HN in particular, this "both sides" argument is being applied loosely to justify every imaginable thing that is making America into a country our parents have been scaring us off - every day we are becoming more like the countries and systems we have been fighting hard against. the "Obama was deporting..." absolutely cannot compare to "Trump sending military to always Democratic-led cities and in the process murdering in cold blood Americans on the streets of American cities" and yet you'll read over and over comments like OP that go "oh well, it is both sides" - which is why I gave example of Kamala sending US military to Texas (this would be fun, I am guessing some Hollywood liberal writer/director will eventually make (what could be an amazing) movie about this scenario
- RickJWagner 8mo ago
  That’s just not grounded. ICE absolutely goes to Republicans led cities. Per Google: “ The Dallas ICE Field Office is experiencing a sharp increase in enforcement, with over 12,000 arrests between January and October 2025, marking over 100% growth and the second-highest volume nationwide.” Also per Google: “ Mesa is the only municipality in the state with a contract agreement with ICE. We gladly welcome ICE into Mesa.” Again, for Bakersfield: “ Based on recent reports, Bakersfield and Kern County are currently major hubs for U.S. immigration enforcement, with high levels of activity from both U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Border Patrol. ” I quit looking after that one. The ‘murder’ comment is false as well, of course. Hyperbole doesn’t help discussions of this type. Can you somehow justify what you wrote?
  - bdangubic 8mo ago
    didn’t think I have to but here it is: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/man-shot-and-killed-by-federal-officers-in-minnesota-was-an-icu-nurse-his-parents-say https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/man-shot-and-killed-by-f... and comparing minnesota etc to Dallas and Mesa is… something else but here we are…
    - RickJWagner 8mo ago
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      - bdangubic 7mo ago
        > Nobody has been charged with murder thats exactly the Gestapo shit we are dealing with. It was in fact a murder, the fact that no one was charged is what is becoming of our country
        RickJWagner 7mo ago
        That’s a poor way to look at things. If you always insist you are right, and that society is wrong, it will lead to any number of negative results. ( Among these, your own mental health will decline. ) There are laws and rules around murder. When people carry firearms and fight with government agents, the agents are given wide latitude to protect themselves. This is with good reason. You can hold your breath, stamp your feet, and insist you are right. You won’t be. Laws and rules matter. Please confine your arguments to the factual, else you’ll gaslight yourself.

It absolutely does hold water - I've been sounding the alarm about Flock long before Trump took office. It took years to build out that network, it didn't happen overnight.

bdangubic 8mo ago

I apologize if my comment was not clear - I am not saying that both political parties are not same shit when it comes to surveillance and shit like that. but here on HN in particular, this "both sides" argument is being applied loosely to justify every imaginable thing that is making America into a country our parents have been scaring us off - every day we are becoming more like the countries and systems we have been fighting hard against. the "Obama was deporting..." absolutely cannot compare to "Trump sending military to always Democratic-led cities and in the process murdering in cold blood Americans on the streets of American cities" and yet you'll read over and over comments like OP that go "oh well, it is both sides" - which is why I gave example of Kamala sending US military to Texas (this would be fun, I am guessing some Hollywood liberal writer/director will eventually make (what could be an amazing) movie about this scenario

RickJWagner 8mo ago
That’s just not grounded. ICE absolutely goes to Republicans led cities. Per Google: “ The Dallas ICE Field Office is experiencing a sharp increase in enforcement, with over 12,000 arrests between January and October 2025, marking over 100% growth and the second-highest volume nationwide.” Also per Google: “ Mesa is the only municipality in the state with a contract agreement with ICE. We gladly welcome ICE into Mesa.” Again, for Bakersfield: “ Based on recent reports, Bakersfield and Kern County are currently major hubs for U.S. immigration enforcement, with high levels of activity from both U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Border Patrol. ” I quit looking after that one. The ‘murder’ comment is false as well, of course. Hyperbole doesn’t help discussions of this type. Can you somehow justify what you wrote?
- bdangubic 8mo ago
  didn’t think I have to but here it is: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/man-shot-and-killed-by-federal-officers-in-minnesota-was-an-icu-nurse-his-parents-say https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/man-shot-and-killed-by-f... and comparing minnesota etc to Dallas and Mesa is… something else but here we are…
  - RickJWagner 8mo ago
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    - bdangubic 7mo ago
      > Nobody has been charged with murder thats exactly the Gestapo shit we are dealing with. It was in fact a murder, the fact that no one was charged is what is becoming of our country
      - RickJWagner 7mo ago
        That’s a poor way to look at things. If you always insist you are right, and that society is wrong, it will lead to any number of negative results. ( Among these, your own mental health will decline. ) There are laws and rules around murder. When people carry firearms and fight with government agents, the agents are given wide latitude to protect themselves. This is with good reason. You can hold your breath, stamp your feet, and insist you are right. You won’t be. Laws and rules matter. Please confine your arguments to the factual, else you’ll gaslight yourself.