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Age verification (porn bans), VPN bans, restrictions on 3D printing - all of these are other policies, both proposed and already in law, that make additional vi

Age verification (porn bans), VPN bans, restrictions on 3D printing - all of these are other policies, both proposed and already in law, that make additional violations of individual rights easier to pass, because these things have been normalized. It’s why the slippery slope isn’t always a logical fallacy.

WalterBright 8mo ago
There are always going to be fights about what gets taught in schools, and what isn't. It's an inevitable consequence of government run schools. I don't agree that it is a free speech issue. Children do not have the full set of adult rights.
- eesmith 8mo ago
  No need to emphasize "government" -- It's an inevitable consequence of schools. Private secular schools have fights about what gets taught. Private religious schools have fights about what gets taught. Children have more rights in public schools than they have in private schools. Tinker v. Des Moines: "It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."
  - WalterBright 8mo ago
    > No need to emphasize "government" There are truancy laws. Private schools can have speech rules, but parents are free to choose such schools, and so free speech rights are not an issue.
    - eesmith 8mo ago
      I still don't see how qualifying it as "government" schools is at all relevant to the topic. This bill would also apply to private schools receiving money under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act.
      - WalterBright 8mo ago
        People are forced to attend government schools if they cannot afford private schools. Nobody is forced to attend private schools. It's a fundamental difference.
        eesmith 8mo ago
        Looks like you've got an axe you decided to grind.
thrance 8mo ago
These policies are symptoms of the authoritarian zeitgeist, not its causes. We will keep getting more and more of them until people start believing in democracy again. In that sense, I don't think it's a slippery slope, since one policy doesn't automatically lead to another.

WalterBright 8mo ago

There are always going to be fights about what gets taught in schools, and what isn't. It's an inevitable consequence of government run schools. I don't agree that it is a free speech issue. Children do not have the full set of adult rights.

eesmith 8mo ago
No need to emphasize "government" -- It's an inevitable consequence of schools. Private secular schools have fights about what gets taught. Private religious schools have fights about what gets taught. Children have more rights in public schools than they have in private schools. Tinker v. Des Moines: "It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."
- WalterBright 8mo ago
  > No need to emphasize "government" There are truancy laws. Private schools can have speech rules, but parents are free to choose such schools, and so free speech rights are not an issue.
  - eesmith 8mo ago
    I still don't see how qualifying it as "government" schools is at all relevant to the topic. This bill would also apply to private schools receiving money under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act.
    - WalterBright 8mo ago
      People are forced to attend government schools if they cannot afford private schools. Nobody is forced to attend private schools. It's a fundamental difference.
      - eesmith 8mo ago
        Looks like you've got an axe you decided to grind.

thrance 8mo ago

These policies are symptoms of the authoritarian zeitgeist, not its causes. We will keep getting more and more of them until people start believing in democracy again. In that sense, I don't think it's a slippery slope, since one policy doesn't automatically lead to another.