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> Brigadier General S. L. A. Marshall’s 1947 book Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command stated that only about 10-15% of men would actually take the o
by ninjagoo 8mo ago
> Brigadier General S. L. A. Marshall’s 1947 book Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command stated that only about 10-15% of men would actually take the opportunity to fire directly at exposed enemies. The rest would typically fire in the air to merely scare off the men on the opposing force.
Having been identified back then, this issue has been systematically stamped out in modern militaries through training methods. Cue high levels of PTSD in modern frontline troops after they absorb what they actually did.
- jiggawatts 8mo agoI would love to see a reference for that! AFAIK the rounds shot to kills ratio is still north of ten thousand in most modern conflicts. I’ve heard anecdotally that drone operators in Ukraine have a ratio of about ten drones per kill and rack up multiple kills per day every day. Supposedly the pilots “burn out” due to the psychological impacts.
- calgoo 8mo agoYea and it also does not help that the people they are killing are just random people that where picked up, thrown in a van, and driven to the front-line to be meat shields.
- ninjagoo 8mo agoReferences for psych conditioning of modern soldiers and impacts on reintegration: (for latter links may have to read between the lines) [0] https://isme.tamu.edu/JSCOPE00/Kilner00.html#_edn3 https://isme.tamu.edu/JSCOPE00/Kilner00.html#_edn3 [1] https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/THE-SCIENCE-OF-CREATING-KILLERS-Human-2514123.php https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/THE-SCIENCE-OF-CREATI... [2] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797615579274 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797615579274 [3] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0018720815605703 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0018720815605703 [4] https://www.fairobserver.com/world-news/us-news/this-is-how-america-manipulates-people-into-killing/ https://www.fairobserver.com/world-news/us-news/this-is-how-... [5] https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2016/7/29/reflections-on-leadership-asking-the-right-questions#:~:text=Many%20situations%20require%20prompt%20action%20and%20decision,the%20threat,%20or%20risk%20being%20defeated%20themselves. https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2016/7/29/reflectio... [6] https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2016/7/29/reflections-on-leadership-asking-the-right-questions https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2016/7/29/reflectio... [7] https://mn.gov/governor/newsroom/press-releases/?id=1055-441356 https://mn.gov/governor/newsroom/press-releases/?id=1055-441... [8] https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2159 https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article... [9] https://www.usar.army.mil/Portals/98/Documents/Marksmanship/ARM_FY21-2.pdf https://www.usar.army.mil/Portals/98/Documents/Marksmanship/... [10] https://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM3-22.9(03).pdf https://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM3-22.9(03... [11] https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/2011/04/30/post-traumatic-theory-stressed https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/2011/04/3...
- jiggawatts 8mo agoWow… 15% to 90% willingness to kill.