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Frankensqlite a Rust reimplementation of SQLite with concurrent writers
- Jean-Papoulos 8mo agoWe need to ban this kind of AI slop yesterday.
- DetroitThrow 8mo agoLove the "race" demo on the site, but very curious about how you approached building this. Appreciated the markdown docs for the insight on the prompt, spec, etc
- Jooror 8mo agoIs the implementation untouched by generative AI? Seems a bit ignorant/dishonest to claim “clean-room” in such a case
- messe 8mo agoAGENTS.md and COMPREHENSIVE_SPEC_FOR_FRANKENSQLITE_V1_CODEX.md in the root folder, and ugly AI slop image on the home page and README. A better question is if the implementation was touched by anything other than generative AI.
- bpbp-mango 8mo agoI was looking at this repo the other day. Time travel queries look really useful. Impressive piece of work from the AIs here.
- tekacs 8mo agoIt's worth scrolling down to the current implementation status part: https://github.com/Dicklesworthstone/frankensqlite#current-implementation-status https://github.com/Dicklesworthstone/frankensqlite#current-i... Although I will admit that even after reading it, I'm not exactly sure what the current implementation status is.
- measurablefunc 8mo agoIt's fake. It doesn't exist. It never happened. The whole thing is an LLM hallucination. You can notice that it's all half implemented if you read the code: https://github.com/Taufiqkemall2/frankensqlite/blob/main/crates/fsqlite-vdbe/src/engine.rs#L9 https://github.com/Taufiqkemall2/frankensqlite/blob/main/cra...
- tonyedgecombe 8mo agoWe are going to get overwhelmed with this stuff aren't we.
- measurablefunc 8mo agoThe people who understand basic logic will be fine but I'm starting to think that's a very small group of people.
- tosti 8mo agoSays on top it's called monster but then it speaks of frankensql. Confusing website imho for a nice project
- bigyabai 8mo agoWhile I don't think the website is particularly well-designed, "monster" can be used as an adjective.
- littlestymaar 8mo agoThere's a limit to what Claude can do without a competent human helping …
- DeathArrow 8mo agoWas it vibe coded?
- kennethallen 8mo agoExtremely. Repo is littered with one-off Python scripts, among many other indicators.
- littlestymaar 8mo agoOf course it was.
- baq 8mo agoNobody in their right mind would sponsor this project to be hand written.
- anon-3988 8mo agoClean room implementation yea sure buddy
- vvern 8mo agoWhy does clean room even matter given SQLite is in the public domain?
- kennethallen 8mo agoAnd in every training corpus many times over.
- cindyllm 8mo ago[dead]
- burakemir 8mo agoLooks mildly interesting, but what's up with the license? MIT plus a condition that designates OpenAI and Anthropic as restricted parties that are not permitted to use or else?
- nxobject 8mo agoGood luck enforcing that. "Glad" to hear that Gemini's excluded.
- nubg 8mo agoWhere do you see issues enforcing license terms?
- kelnos 8mo agoThe fact that they've hosted it on GitHub means they've agreed to GitHub's terms, which allows them (via OpenAI) to train on the code. Also it's pretty hilarious to vibe-code a library that clones another library that someone has spent decades of work on, and then try to prohibit people from using that LLM output as training data for an LLM.
- messe 8mo ago> TCL test harness. C SQLite's test suite is driven by ~90,000+ lines of TCL scripts deeply intertwined with the C API. These cannot be meaningfully ported. Instead, FrankenSQLite uses native Rust #[test] modules, proptest for property-based testing, a conformance harness comparing SQL output against C SQLite golden files, and asupersync's lab reactor for deterministic concurrency tests. If you're not running against the SQLite test suite, then you haven't written a viable SQLite replacement.
- littlestymaar 8mo agoIsn't that test suite private though?
- messe 8mo agoThe TH3 test suite is proprietary, but the TCL test suite that they refer to is public domain. I'm not sure where they get their 90k CLOC count though, that seems like it might be an LLM induced hallucination given the rest of the project. The public domain TCL test suite is ~27k CLOC, and the proprietary suite is 1055k CLOC.
- littlestymaar 8mo agoThanks for the clarification, I appreciate it. > and the proprietary suite is 1055k CLOC. Why is the code size of the proprietary test suite even public though?
- dzogchen 8mo agoYou can buy access to it. Any serious SQLite re-implementation should buy it and test against it.
- kelseyfrog 8mo agoThe cost of TH3 is listed as "call". It's much more likely the issue is one of cost, not of seriousity.
- siliconc0w 8mo agoIf this wasn't ambitious enough, the author is also porting glibc to rust. As I understand it, all of it is agentic coded using custom harnesses.
- messe 8mo agoIt doesn't read ambitious so much as naive.
- nine_k 8mo agoIt entirely depends on how much the author reads the result of the agentic coding.
- tonyedgecombe 8mo agoNot very much judging by the commit rate.
- PKop 8mo agoIt depends on much more than that, including the author's ability to interpret, understand, and act on what he reads to improve any problems.
- baq 8mo agoIt sounds scifi, but not naive anymore.
- CaptainJack 8mo agoAuthor is on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=eigenvalue https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=eigenvalue
- measurablefunc 8mo agoIf you can't tell this is LLM slop then I don't really know what to tell you. What gave it away for me was the RaptorQ nonsense & conformance w/ standard sqlite file format. If you actually read the code you'll notice all sorts of half complete implementations of whatever is promised in the marketing materials: https://github.com/Taufiqkemall2/frankensqlite/blob/main/crates/fsqlite-vdbe/src/engine.rs#L9 https://github.com/Taufiqkemall2/frankensqlite/blob/main/cra...
- baq 8mo agoIf you bothered to do any research at all you’d know the author as an extreme, frontier, avant-garde, eccentric LLM user and I say it as an LLM enthusiast.
- measurablefunc 8mo agoThanks. Next time I'll do more research on what counts for LLM code artwork before commenting on an incomplete implementation w/ all sorts of logically inconsistent requirements. All I can really do at this point is humbly ask for your & their avant-garde forgiveness b/c I won't make the same mistake again & that's a real promise you can take to the crypto bank.
- baq 8mo agoGreat! But note I haven’t said that you should be doing the research. This was more of a warning about today, but it also was a different kind of warning about the next 12-18 months once models catch up to what this guy wants to do with them.
- measurablefunc 8mo agoThank you for your wisdom. I'll make a note & make sure to follow up on this later b/c you obviously know much more about the future than a humble plebeian like myself.
- coppsilgold 8mo agoThe author seems obsessed with RaptorQ[1], this is not a good place for it. RS over GF256 is more than adequate. Or just plain LDPC. [1] <https://www.jeffreyemanuel.com/writing/raptorq https://www.jeffreyemanuel.com/writing/raptorq>
- skppy 8mo agoEven though it looks like LLM slop, we are starting to see big projects being translated/refactored with LLMs. It reminds me of the 2023 AI video era. If the pattern follows, we will start to see way fewer errors until it is economically viable.
- zmmmmm 8mo agoThis kind of slop spewing into Github feels like the modern equivalent of toxic plumes coming from smoke stacks. Utterly unmaintainable by any human, likely never to be completed or used, but now deposited into the atmosphere for future trained AI models and humans alike to stumble across and ingest, degrading the environment for everyone around it.
- Rapzid 8mo agoIt's kinda like when the web first started taking off then there were WYSIWYGs. Everyone and their mom was creating static HTML websites. But nobody shows off static HTML sites on HN.
- grey-area 8mo agoThis is a really interesting potential problem. I wonder how providers are going to avoid training on slop?
- up2isomorphism 8mo agoYeah, “rewrite in rust” strikes again, this time equipped with a AI slop generator.
- sam_goody 8mo agoThere is a popular [excellent non vibe-coded] web server called FrankenPHP; A port of PHP to Go bundled with Caddy. Are there any other FrankenProjects out there that have had any success? Were we so impressed by the concept of the original Frankenstein? Is this a Freudian slip, that we are expecting these AI projects to turn on their creators?
- andersmurphy 8mo agoWhats the obsession with concurrent writes? Single writer will outperform MVCC as long as you do dynamic batching (doesn't prevent logical transactions) and all you have to do is manage that writer at the application level. Concurrent writers just thrash your CPU cache. The difference between L1 and L3 can be 100x. So your single writer on a single core can outperform 10-100s of cores. Especially when you start considering contention. Here's sqlite doing 100k TPS and I'm not even messing with core affinity and it's going over FFi in a dynamic language. https://andersmurphy.com/2025/12/02/100000-tps-over-a-billion-rows-the-unreasonable-effectiveness-of-sqlite.html https://andersmurphy.com/2025/12/02/100000-tps-over-a-billio...
- Surac 8mo agoi reimplemented my Grandma in Rust. She was a real Safety and Security hazard to herself and her surounding. She forgot things and made unsound memory assumtion. Took me about 3 Days vibe coding with Claude Code and was a real fun time. Now my grandma is leaking anything and has some new comandline switches. To be fair i know best how to implement Grandmas and everybody should use my Grandma from now on. If this breaks your scripts just adapt. Sure this was very cynical but im so tired reading every week some new pet project where rust is seen a mesiah. It is a new language, it helps getting memory right more easy. It is like the new visual basic.
- postepowanieadm 8mo agoReally, rust folks should stop using original projects names. It's not related to sqlite, it's very loosely inspired.
- klh_io 8mo agos/rust/llm/ doesn't really matter which language the slop is produced in
- nimei23 8mo agowhere the heck is my mouse cursor?
- klh_io 8mo agodidn't notice at first, but my CPU fan went silent the moment I closed this slop website
- mergisi 8mo ago[dead]