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No one is smuggling this in. The debate is over. It's transformative. We're in the midst of transformation.

by selridge 7mo ago

bandrami 7mo ago
It's really not over. Somebody has to actually put something into production with it first.
- jwittmayer 7mo ago
  Implying that nobody has put AI generated code into production yet?
  - bandrami 7mo ago
    Stuff that's going into production now (actual production, not startup MVP production) would have been being written just before Claude Code came out, so pretty much by definition no. There's some copilot-style assisted stuff in the wild, I guess? But not really more of it than pre-copilot so the productivity argument kind of falls through there.
    - thevinter 7mo ago
      Cursor came out 3 years ago. "Agentic" refactors have been a thing for 1.5 years. Vibecoding as a term has been created 1 year ago. There are multiple companies that deploy to production daily. What are we even talking about?
      - bandrami 7mo ago
        Right but this agentic stuff was supposed to be the wave where we would finally actually see increased output, so we should probably be seeing it soon if it's real. Like, my dev team should definitely have the actual code they keep talking about their agents making, ready for me to put into production. As should my vendors. Any day now.
        selridge 7mo ago
        What is this nonsense? You said that none of this was in production and then when people pointed out that it was obviously in production, you shifted the goal post to some other measure that you just imagined in your head.
        bandrami 7mo ago
        Well, if it's in production, it's not at my company, any of my vendors, or for that matter any of the software I use in my private life; the pace of all of that is exactly what it was 2 years ago. When it shows up I'll form an opinion.
        bandrami 7mo ago
        Let me amend that: one of my vendors has a new diffusion-based noise-reduction plugin that's pretty good though the resource usage is still too high. I imagine that will come down as they improve it. And that's pretty cool. But it didn't come out any faster it's just that it uses diffusion in the plugin itself. But docker was a much bigger impact on the software we use at work than AI has been so far. I was even trying to come up with a list of software I use in my personal life to see if any of that has started coming out faster, and I came up with: KDE Supercollider Puredata Mixxx Renoise CUDA and ROCM none of which have had any kind of release acceleration that I know of (though obviously the hardware to use the last two has gotten mind-blowingly expensive, alas). I use maybe three apps on my phone and they aren't updating any more frequently than they used to. I get that for whatever reason this bugs people, but I'm in a very tech job and have a very tech personal life (just not webdev in either case) and literally have not seen anything I deal with change other than needing to learn to scroll past the AI summary at the top of search results.
        selridge 7mo ago
        What do you expect that it’s gonna announce itself in a modal dialogue when you run the software? This isn’t like AI image generation where you’re going to convince yourself that you can tell the difference based on how you think it looks. Do you really think no one in the production chain of any of the software that you use picked up copilot in the last two years? What signal are you hoping to receive that this is happening?
- usrnm 7mo ago
  I put AI assisted code in production every day, what are you talking about? At this point I don't even doubt I'm going to lose the job eventually, the question is only whether or not I will be able to pay my mortgage off first.
- bitwize 7mo ago
  No, it is over. Compare today to even two years ago.
- adaml_623 7mo ago
  I feel like you might only be convinced when an AI powered robot rolls up to you and asks, "Bandrami, are you convinced that AI is transformative yet?"
  - bandrami 7mo ago
    Robots have been able to do that for decades now

No one is smuggling this in. The debate is over. It's transformative. We're in the midst of transformation.

bandrami 7mo ago

It's really not over. Somebody has to actually put something into production with it first.

jwittmayer 7mo ago
Implying that nobody has put AI generated code into production yet?
- bandrami 7mo ago
  Stuff that's going into production now (actual production, not startup MVP production) would have been being written just before Claude Code came out, so pretty much by definition no. There's some copilot-style assisted stuff in the wild, I guess? But not really more of it than pre-copilot so the productivity argument kind of falls through there.
  - thevinter 7mo ago
    Cursor came out 3 years ago. "Agentic" refactors have been a thing for 1.5 years. Vibecoding as a term has been created 1 year ago. There are multiple companies that deploy to production daily. What are we even talking about?
    - bandrami 7mo ago
      Right but this agentic stuff was supposed to be the wave where we would finally actually see increased output, so we should probably be seeing it soon if it's real. Like, my dev team should definitely have the actual code they keep talking about their agents making, ready for me to put into production. As should my vendors. Any day now.
      - selridge 7mo ago
        What is this nonsense? You said that none of this was in production and then when people pointed out that it was obviously in production, you shifted the goal post to some other measure that you just imagined in your head.
        bandrami 7mo ago
        Well, if it's in production, it's not at my company, any of my vendors, or for that matter any of the software I use in my private life; the pace of all of that is exactly what it was 2 years ago. When it shows up I'll form an opinion.
        bandrami 7mo ago
        Let me amend that: one of my vendors has a new diffusion-based noise-reduction plugin that's pretty good though the resource usage is still too high. I imagine that will come down as they improve it. And that's pretty cool. But it didn't come out any faster it's just that it uses diffusion in the plugin itself. But docker was a much bigger impact on the software we use at work than AI has been so far. I was even trying to come up with a list of software I use in my personal life to see if any of that has started coming out faster, and I came up with: KDE Supercollider Puredata Mixxx Renoise CUDA and ROCM none of which have had any kind of release acceleration that I know of (though obviously the hardware to use the last two has gotten mind-blowingly expensive, alas). I use maybe three apps on my phone and they aren't updating any more frequently than they used to. I get that for whatever reason this bugs people, but I'm in a very tech job and have a very tech personal life (just not webdev in either case) and literally have not seen anything I deal with change other than needing to learn to scroll past the AI summary at the top of search results.
        selridge 7mo ago
        What do you expect that it’s gonna announce itself in a modal dialogue when you run the software? This isn’t like AI image generation where you’re going to convince yourself that you can tell the difference based on how you think it looks. Do you really think no one in the production chain of any of the software that you use picked up copilot in the last two years? What signal are you hoping to receive that this is happening?
usrnm 7mo ago
I put AI assisted code in production every day, what are you talking about? At this point I don't even doubt I'm going to lose the job eventually, the question is only whether or not I will be able to pay my mortgage off first.
bitwize 7mo ago
No, it is over. Compare today to even two years ago.
adaml_623 7mo ago
I feel like you might only be convinced when an AI powered robot rolls up to you and asks, "Bandrami, are you convinced that AI is transformative yet?"
- bandrami 7mo ago
  Robots have been able to do that for decades now