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Yes, I absolutely don’t want tech companies to use the money I pay them to harm people. How is that remotely controversial?

scottyah 8mo ago
Because it's painfully short-sighted, or maliciously ignorant.
- archagon 8mo ago
  No, it’s just that I don’t want the money I spend to have blood on it. Trivially simple.
  - NewsaHackO 8mo ago
    What if I told you that it's way too late for that?
    - archagon 8mo ago
      Well, we have to try to live as virtuously as we can using the means and remedies available to us.
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  - TaupeRanger 8mo ago
    Also trivially naive and useless. Evil exists. Conflicts will happen. If evil was at your doorstep, threatening people you love, you absolutely DO want money you spend to have blood on it, if it means keeping yourself and your loved ones safe. Trivially simple.
    - archagon 8mo ago
      This line of thinking is entirely foreign (and vaguely repulsive) to me. Can I imagine a situation where I'm forced to cause the death of someone in order to defend those close to me? Vaguely. But I would be racked with guilt for the rest of my life. In any case, AI drones will largely be used for "defense" in the euphemistic sense.
      - scottyah 8mo ago
        That's exactly the naitivity people are calling you out for.
andsoitis 8mo ago
> I absolutely don’t want tech companies to use the money I pay them to harm people. Just one example of many, but the companies that make the CPUs you and all of use use every day, also supply to militaries. I am unaware of any tech company that directly does physical warfare on the battlefield against humans.
- tbossanova 8mo ago
  Another example: those companies that make drinkable water, also supply to militaries. But there might be a difference between supplying drinking water and making AI killing machines
  - andsoitis 8mo ago
    > making AI killing machines What’s an example of a company that’s making killing machines that a typical consumer or someone HN might be buying product or services from?
    - eichin 8mo ago
      The easy answer is Westinghouse (look for the youtube short about "things that spin"...)
- archagon 8mo ago
  As far as I know, Apple does not supply their chips for military use.
johnisgood 8mo ago
Time to stop paying your taxes. :P

scottyah 8mo ago

Because it's painfully short-sighted, or maliciously ignorant.

archagon 8mo ago
No, it’s just that I don’t want the money I spend to have blood on it. Trivially simple.
- NewsaHackO 8mo ago
  What if I told you that it's way too late for that?
  - archagon 8mo ago
    Well, we have to try to live as virtuously as we can using the means and remedies available to us.
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- TaupeRanger 8mo ago
  Also trivially naive and useless. Evil exists. Conflicts will happen. If evil was at your doorstep, threatening people you love, you absolutely DO want money you spend to have blood on it, if it means keeping yourself and your loved ones safe. Trivially simple.
  - archagon 8mo ago
    This line of thinking is entirely foreign (and vaguely repulsive) to me. Can I imagine a situation where I'm forced to cause the death of someone in order to defend those close to me? Vaguely. But I would be racked with guilt for the rest of my life. In any case, AI drones will largely be used for "defense" in the euphemistic sense.
    - scottyah 8mo ago
      That's exactly the naitivity people are calling you out for.

andsoitis 8mo ago

> I absolutely don’t want tech companies to use the money I pay them to harm people. Just one example of many, but the companies that make the CPUs you and all of use use every day, also supply to militaries. I am unaware of any tech company that directly does physical warfare on the battlefield against humans.

tbossanova 8mo ago
Another example: those companies that make drinkable water, also supply to militaries. But there might be a difference between supplying drinking water and making AI killing machines
- andsoitis 8mo ago
  > making AI killing machines What’s an example of a company that’s making killing machines that a typical consumer or someone HN might be buying product or services from?
  - eichin 8mo ago
    The easy answer is Westinghouse (look for the youtube short about "things that spin"...)
archagon 8mo ago
As far as I know, Apple does not supply their chips for military use.

johnisgood 8mo ago

Time to stop paying your taxes. :P