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So AI systems are not reliable enough to power fully autonomous weapons but they are reliable enough to end all white-collar work in the next 12 months? Odd.

serf 7mo ago
do you really need to be told there is a difference in 'magnitude of importance' between the decision to send out an office memo and the decision to strike a building with ordinance? a lot of white collar jobs see no decision more important than a few hours of revenue. that's the difference: you can afford to fuck up in that environment.
- jamesmcq 7mo ago
  They’re not saying “AI can replace some menial white collar tasks”, they’re saying AI can replace all white-collar work. Yes, if you fuck up some white collar work, people will die. It’s irresponsible.
  - NewsaHackO 7mo ago
    >Yes, if you fuck up some white collar work, people will die. It’s irresponsible. A lot of the work in those sectors are not the ones that are being targeted for fully autonomous replacement. They likely would be in the future though.
- remarkEon 7mo ago
  I know what point you are trying to make, but these decisions are functionally equivalent. Striking a building with ordinance (indirect fires, dropped from fixed wing, doesn't really matter) involves some discernment about utility, secondary effects, probability of accomplishing a given goal, and so on. Writing an office memo (a good one at least) involves the same kind of analysis. I know your point is that "people will die" when you blow up a building, but the parameters are really quite similar.
  - ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
    > these decisions are functionally equivalent > I know your point is that "people will die" when you blow up a building, but the parameters are really quite similar The parameters are similar, but the effects are different. That's what makes the decision not functionally equivalent. A functionally equivalent decision would have the same functional result. To put a point on it: we are allowed to, and indeed should, consider the effects of a decision when making it.
gedy 7mo ago
Shh! there's a lot of money riding on this bet, ahem.
howardYouGood 7mo ago
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serf 7mo ago

do you really need to be told there is a difference in 'magnitude of importance' between the decision to send out an office memo and the decision to strike a building with ordinance? a lot of white collar jobs see no decision more important than a few hours of revenue. that's the difference: you can afford to fuck up in that environment.

jamesmcq 7mo ago
They’re not saying “AI can replace some menial white collar tasks”, they’re saying AI can replace all white-collar work. Yes, if you fuck up some white collar work, people will die. It’s irresponsible.
- NewsaHackO 7mo ago
  >Yes, if you fuck up some white collar work, people will die. It’s irresponsible. A lot of the work in those sectors are not the ones that are being targeted for fully autonomous replacement. They likely would be in the future though.
remarkEon 7mo ago
I know what point you are trying to make, but these decisions are functionally equivalent. Striking a building with ordinance (indirect fires, dropped from fixed wing, doesn't really matter) involves some discernment about utility, secondary effects, probability of accomplishing a given goal, and so on. Writing an office memo (a good one at least) involves the same kind of analysis. I know your point is that "people will die" when you blow up a building, but the parameters are really quite similar.
- ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
  > these decisions are functionally equivalent > I know your point is that "people will die" when you blow up a building, but the parameters are really quite similar The parameters are similar, but the effects are different. That's what makes the decision not functionally equivalent. A functionally equivalent decision would have the same functional result. To put a point on it: we are allowed to, and indeed should, consider the effects of a decision when making it.

gedy 7mo ago

Shh! there's a lot of money riding on this bet, ahem.

howardYouGood 7mo ago

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