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For those of you using OSMAnd - do you think there is any chance that they will offer public transport routing? I would at once get the 15-year XV plan if they

by lejalv 8mo ago

For those of you using OSMAnd - do you think there is any chance that they will offer public transport routing? I would at once get the 15-year XV plan if they got this, but perhaps it's at odds with their motto “Offline Maps and Navigation”? (even if I personally could live with schedule-based routing, i.e. not real-time routing, at least for a while).

yorwba 8mo ago
You can enable the "public transport" profile in OsmAnd, today. It might not support your local area, though.
- schaum 8mo ago
  And there are no realtime updates,for example bus won't even go on a Sunday but it would still route you like it would ..
  - netsharc 8mo ago
    The "But Google" rebuttal: I was in a city when they had a public transport strike. The buses/trams would run at irregular times, but as far as Google knew (maybe the public transport company told them so), no buses would run at all. So trying to get anywhere, Google Maps would say "Walk 20 minutes to the nearest train station, take the train, walk 15 minutes to your final destination.". I had to trick it and say I want to depart 6 months in the future so it would show which tram/bus-lines I actually need, where I can go to the stop and take a chance that one would show up..
  - yorwba 8mo ago
    If the bus never goes on a Sunday, it should be possible to record that in the opening_hours according to the Public Transport v2 scheme: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport Still not real-time, but better than nothing.
- 2Gkashmiri 8mo ago
  years ago i added a bunch of bus stops in my city. the app never picked that up. busses don;t work.
  - yorwba 8mo ago
    Some buses do work. Adding bus stops to the map is necessary, but not sufficient to make them work.
- jeroenhd 8mo ago
  I found it able to route me to where I need to go if I decide to switch careers and become a train driver, but planning something easy like "take a bus to the train station" is impossible in OsmAnd.
  - namibj 8mo ago
    It's sadly easy to confuse "take public transit" with "driving a train" on the UI :( Given that for most other modes it's used by the driver.
- MeanEYE 8mo ago
  Grab an application called StreetComplete and start contributing. Little by little we'll get there and have awesome maps. Application asks simple questions like type of road or if bus station has a shelter, etc. Then uploads that to OSM.
  - yorwba 8mo ago
    StreetComplete is nice, but if the public transport profile in OsmAnd can't find a bus line, it's probably not because the bus stop is missing shelter information. To fix navigation issues, you'll probably have to edit map geometry, which has a higher barrier to entry: https://www.osmand.net/docs/user/navigation/routing/public-transport-navigation https://www.osmand.net/docs/user/navigation/routing/public-t...
namibj 8mo ago
We should push the typically publicly funded (and via that path: the big single entity that pays you the largest (single) share of your income as a transit company gets to dictate a LOT if they try and it's inherently close to free) to literally just publish the real time traffic information as open data for at most a fee (if getting directly from the source, not any aggregator/CDN) equal to AWS's bandwidth charges for the traffic itself. With a license that allows others to just offer caching proxy access with no stipulations other than maybe some reasonable amounts of attribution. Because sadly many places routing with no schedule awareness increases "typical" journey times by >50% for a decent chunk of the ridership base. On that note, I should see how open data my municipal utility's EU-forced-outcrop of a "mobility" branch handles it's real time data, because I did notice (from ads in the busses at the doors where they put what are essentially D2C "press note"s) about a year or two ago that they started offering a mobile browser usable (without giving any permissions to the site, at least above default android Chrome) live position tracker for their bus fleet. Could be useful to do some predictive modeling on it together with the schedule to enable streaming commands to one's earbuds (if one's just listening to music while on the way) about haste (/lack thereof)/catching a different station. Like even just telling me if I catch the bus at the closer station when leaving home or if I should walk to the other branch line which is about a minute further to walk (and that entire minute is uphill) but has the bus scheduled to depart 3 minutes later. They connect shortly after at a transfer/crossover where the routes alternate between physically crossing and merely briefly meeting up at the same "named stop" with just two driveways separating the nominal positions at the sidewalk the busses park alongside to open their doors. I don't have the mind to check that real-time position map for the duration of the shared walking path between home and the "fork in the road" where I have to choose between the two bus stops, while analyzing the moment on the map to identify if it's getting held up in traffic (shorter) or actually stopping at the stop it'd have to be at (AFAIK pretty much exactly) for me to not need to run (but only walk with purpose on my mind) to still catch it at the closer station. That's particularly relevant because leaving on time with margin for retying shoelaces or stuffing mail in a backpack and aim for the father station makes me catch the closer station exactly once it's a little bit delayed (on the order of 60~90 seconds). I'd probably want it so I tap the phone to one out of a couple NFC tags in the hallway that tell my device what kind of thing I'm about to do; be that leaving for shortly or for longer (latter case it can also cut the heating until I give it an ETA of when I'll be back; due to good insulation the savings of less thermal flux due to less temperature Delta between inside and outside are not worth having to remember to give it an ETA to have it back up to temperature before I arrive).

by lejalv 8mo ago

yorwba 8mo ago

You can enable the "public transport" profile in OsmAnd, today. It might not support your local area, though.

schaum 8mo ago
And there are no realtime updates,for example bus won't even go on a Sunday but it would still route you like it would ..
- netsharc 8mo ago
  The "But Google" rebuttal: I was in a city when they had a public transport strike. The buses/trams would run at irregular times, but as far as Google knew (maybe the public transport company told them so), no buses would run at all. So trying to get anywhere, Google Maps would say "Walk 20 minutes to the nearest train station, take the train, walk 15 minutes to your final destination.". I had to trick it and say I want to depart 6 months in the future so it would show which tram/bus-lines I actually need, where I can go to the stop and take a chance that one would show up..
- yorwba 8mo ago
  If the bus never goes on a Sunday, it should be possible to record that in the opening_hours according to the Public Transport v2 scheme: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport Still not real-time, but better than nothing.
2Gkashmiri 8mo ago
years ago i added a bunch of bus stops in my city. the app never picked that up. busses don;t work.
- yorwba 8mo ago
  Some buses do work. Adding bus stops to the map is necessary, but not sufficient to make them work.
jeroenhd 8mo ago
I found it able to route me to where I need to go if I decide to switch careers and become a train driver, but planning something easy like "take a bus to the train station" is impossible in OsmAnd.
- namibj 8mo ago
  It's sadly easy to confuse "take public transit" with "driving a train" on the UI :( Given that for most other modes it's used by the driver.
MeanEYE 8mo ago
Grab an application called StreetComplete and start contributing. Little by little we'll get there and have awesome maps. Application asks simple questions like type of road or if bus station has a shelter, etc. Then uploads that to OSM.
- yorwba 8mo ago
  StreetComplete is nice, but if the public transport profile in OsmAnd can't find a bus line, it's probably not because the bus stop is missing shelter information. To fix navigation issues, you'll probably have to edit map geometry, which has a higher barrier to entry: https://www.osmand.net/docs/user/navigation/routing/public-transport-navigation https://www.osmand.net/docs/user/navigation/routing/public-t...

namibj 8mo ago

We should push the typically publicly funded (and via that path: the big single entity that pays you the largest (single) share of your income as a transit company gets to dictate a LOT if they try and it's inherently close to free) to literally just publish the real time traffic information as open data for at most a fee (if getting directly from the source, not any aggregator/CDN) equal to AWS's bandwidth charges for the traffic itself. With a license that allows others to just offer caching proxy access with no stipulations other than maybe some reasonable amounts of attribution. Because sadly many places routing with no schedule awareness increases "typical" journey times by >50% for a decent chunk of the ridership base. On that note, I should see how open data my municipal utility's EU-forced-outcrop of a "mobility" branch handles it's real time data, because I did notice (from ads in the busses at the doors where they put what are essentially D2C "press note"s) about a year or two ago that they started offering a mobile browser usable (without giving any permissions to the site, at least above default android Chrome) live position tracker for their bus fleet. Could be useful to do some predictive modeling on it together with the schedule to enable streaming commands to one's earbuds (if one's just listening to music while on the way) about haste (/lack thereof)/catching a different station. Like even just telling me if I catch the bus at the closer station when leaving home or if I should walk to the other branch line which is about a minute further to walk (and that entire minute is uphill) but has the bus scheduled to depart 3 minutes later. They connect shortly after at a transfer/crossover where the routes alternate between physically crossing and merely briefly meeting up at the same "named stop" with just two driveways separating the nominal positions at the sidewalk the busses park alongside to open their doors. I don't have the mind to check that real-time position map for the duration of the shared walking path between home and the "fork in the road" where I have to choose between the two bus stops, while analyzing the moment on the map to identify if it's getting held up in traffic (shorter) or actually stopping at the stop it'd have to be at (AFAIK pretty much exactly) for me to not need to run (but only walk with purpose on my mind) to still catch it at the closer station. That's particularly relevant because leaving on time with margin for retying shoelaces or stuffing mail in a backpack and aim for the father station makes me catch the closer station exactly once it's a little bit delayed (on the order of 60~90 seconds). I'd probably want it so I tap the phone to one out of a couple NFC tags in the hallway that tell my device what kind of thing I'm about to do; be that leaving for shortly or for longer (latter case it can also cut the heating until I give it an ETA of when I'll be back; due to good insulation the savings of less thermal flux due to less temperature Delta between inside and outside are not worth having to remember to give it an ETA to have it back up to temperature before I arrive).