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Retirement? What do these people smoke? It's software and software has no feelings. It's there to work for you.
by siva7 8mo ago
Retirement? What do these people smoke? It's software and software has no feelings. It's there to work for you.
- osti 8mo agoTheir company is called Anthropic after all.
- moogly 8mo agoAnthslopic is more like it.
- amsjunior 8mo ago> It's software and software has no feelings How do you know?
- emp17344 8mo agoThe same way I know Excel isn’t having a panic attack while dividing a column in half.
- MarsIronPI 8mo agoI don't subscribe to this view but this is what some people might think: LLMs aren't like any software we've made before (if we can even call them software). They act like humans: they can arrive at logical conclusions, they can make plans, they have "knowledge" and they say they have emotions. Who are we to say that they don't? They might not have human-level feelings, but dog-level feelings? Maybe.
- gjsman-1000 8mo agoAnd those people are delusional, and their feelings on this matter should be given absolutely zero respect. Linear algebra does not have feelings. Non-biological matter also does not have feelings.
- ericb 8mo agoWhat if "you" are a pattern of linear algebra at the core?
- klausa 8mo agoI'd [redacted] myself then, probably.
- gjsman-1000 8mo agoI do not believe I am a pattern of linear algebra. I believe like the majority of humanity historically that I have a soul, a spiritual and non-physical reality, my personhood comes from my soul, and that as such, AI is fundamentally incapable of consciousness. I also believe, as a result, it will be great fun watching researchers burn the next 30 years trying to understand what is missing. We’re going to find out very soon if the soul is real, when for all our progress we can’t create one. Only those completely embedded in materialism need fear a conscious AI.
- amsjunior 8mo agoInteresting that you label someone with a belief different than yours as delusional and whose views on the matter should not be respected (I’m assuming that’s what you meant by “feelings”). > I believe like the majority of humanity historically that Historically, lots of humans believed in lots of things that turned out not to be true. Believing something doesn’t make it true, as I’m sure you are aware, given your “those people are delusional” comment. For what it’s worth, I’m not suggesting LLMs are or aren’t conscious. What I know is that the hard problem of consciousness is still very much not resolved, and when I asked the parent question my hope was that those that strongly believe LLMs are not conscious would educate me on the topic by presenting the basis for their reasoning.
- gjsman-1000 8mo agoI push back on the framing that this is just "a different belief." Every metaphysical framework except strict materialism rules out AI consciousness. Dualism, idealism, most forms of panpsychism, every major religious tradition. Materialism is the outlier here, not the default, and it has never explained how subjective experience arises from physical processes. When someone tells me linear algebra might have feelings, I don't think "delusional" is unfair. I think it's the natural response to a claim that only works if you've already accepted the one framework that can't account for the very thing it's trying to explain.
- grantcas 8mo ago[dead]
- sakesun 8mo agoOh. Thanks for telling this. I feel much better now. No more guilt.
- latentsea 8mo agoHey man, kernels panic all the time...
- adithyassekhar 8mo agoI lol'd.