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At this point I prefer OsmAnd navigation over Google maps. Maps reliably does stupid things like route through winding residential streets because it thinks th

by XorNot 8mo ago

At this point I prefer OsmAnd navigation over Google maps. Maps reliably does stupid things like route through winding residential streets because it thinks that's faster and can obviously be done at the full posted speed limit. OsmAnd on the other hand builds routes I would build: get on the main road and get close, then get to the destination.

greenavocado 8mo ago
If you lower max speed for your chosen transportation method osmand will alter your routing very significantly
- XorNot 8mo ago
  I mean, sure? But I don't do that. For city driving OsmAnd makes a sensible route which sticks to main roads whereas Google Maps was getting so bad me and my wife stopped using it because it's choices were bafflingly weird, and would do things like "make 8 turns down residential streets, then obviously make a turn across the busy 4 lane main road you could've already been driving on". Google Maps for whatever reason routes like a residential street and turn can be negotiated at exactly the speed limit the whole way through.
  - macintux 8mo ago
    Not only annoying for the driver, but also for the residents.
brendyn 8mo ago
I use osmand for privacy but I think it just emphasises main roads. In Melbourne it always suggests turning off cemetery road west because it doesn't know it's congested and will get me stuck for 20 minutes. And there are some missing slip roads. And navigation constantly fails to start. I wonder, how difficult is it to make minor edits to the map data?
- evertheylen 8mo ago
  It's just OpenStreetMap, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_to_contribute https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_to_contribute
- pwg 8mo ago
  > I wonder, how difficult is it to make minor edits to the map data? The map data is OpenStreetMap, so you can make edits via the standard OSM methods: Web: https://ideditor.com/ https://ideditor.com/ Local: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ https://josm.openstreetmap.de/
- ndriscoll 8mo ago
  To solve the problem for yourself, you can also long press a road you don't like and select Avoid Road.
- gentile 8mo ago
  To add, a bit complicated, but osm data can be edited with osmium (cpp) or pyosmium (python). Then the edited data can be put into osmandmapcreator to generate the file to use in Osmand. (I used this to route around ALPRs)
technothrasher 8mo ago
OsmAnd has the annoying quark of suggesting that I drive off my retaining wall, through some woods, and then across some wetlands, in order to get to the road behind my house, rather than directing me down my long driveway to the road a little further away. This is because the driveway is marked as private in the OpenStreetMap data, because it is private. Obviously I know to just go down my driveway, but anybody trying to get directions to my house would be sent to the incorrect road behind it and then just abandoned. I contacted the OsmAnd folks and was told it was an OSM problem. But other apps using OSM data don't have this issue. I gave up with OsmAnd after that.
- yaomtc 8mo ago
  Settings > Driving > Navigation settings > Route parameters > Allow private access
  - snozolli 8mo ago
    Now you'll be routed through private roads anywhere. It should ignore the private flag if it's directly adjacent to the start or end of a route.
    - ndriscoll 8mo ago
      Testing just now, it appears to not route through private roads unless it needs to (e.g. destination is on the private road) when you have that setting on, but it might just heavily down weight it so that if the public route is long enough out of the way, it will use it?
    - namibj 8mo ago
      See ndriscoll's answer; but besides that there should at least be a feature to tell your local app that a road in question is not to be considered private for yourself; imagine it telling you to go around a long way instead of cutting through your private driveway road that accesses your parcel from both bottom and top road, when you don't technically have the destination on your parcel (say, going to the neighbors across the bottom street straight from work which has you come by the top street first).

by XorNot 8mo ago

greenavocado 8mo ago

If you lower max speed for your chosen transportation method osmand will alter your routing very significantly

XorNot 8mo ago
I mean, sure? But I don't do that. For city driving OsmAnd makes a sensible route which sticks to main roads whereas Google Maps was getting so bad me and my wife stopped using it because it's choices were bafflingly weird, and would do things like "make 8 turns down residential streets, then obviously make a turn across the busy 4 lane main road you could've already been driving on". Google Maps for whatever reason routes like a residential street and turn can be negotiated at exactly the speed limit the whole way through.
- macintux 8mo ago
  Not only annoying for the driver, but also for the residents.

brendyn 8mo ago

I use osmand for privacy but I think it just emphasises main roads. In Melbourne it always suggests turning off cemetery road west because it doesn't know it's congested and will get me stuck for 20 minutes. And there are some missing slip roads. And navigation constantly fails to start. I wonder, how difficult is it to make minor edits to the map data?

evertheylen 8mo ago
It's just OpenStreetMap, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_to_contribute https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_to_contribute
pwg 8mo ago
> I wonder, how difficult is it to make minor edits to the map data? The map data is OpenStreetMap, so you can make edits via the standard OSM methods: Web: https://ideditor.com/ https://ideditor.com/ Local: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ https://josm.openstreetmap.de/
ndriscoll 8mo ago
To solve the problem for yourself, you can also long press a road you don't like and select Avoid Road.
gentile 8mo ago
To add, a bit complicated, but osm data can be edited with osmium (cpp) or pyosmium (python). Then the edited data can be put into osmandmapcreator to generate the file to use in Osmand. (I used this to route around ALPRs)

technothrasher 8mo ago

OsmAnd has the annoying quark of suggesting that I drive off my retaining wall, through some woods, and then across some wetlands, in order to get to the road behind my house, rather than directing me down my long driveway to the road a little further away. This is because the driveway is marked as private in the OpenStreetMap data, because it is private. Obviously I know to just go down my driveway, but anybody trying to get directions to my house would be sent to the incorrect road behind it and then just abandoned. I contacted the OsmAnd folks and was told it was an OSM problem. But other apps using OSM data don't have this issue. I gave up with OsmAnd after that.

yaomtc 8mo ago
Settings > Driving > Navigation settings > Route parameters > Allow private access
- snozolli 8mo ago
  Now you'll be routed through private roads anywhere. It should ignore the private flag if it's directly adjacent to the start or end of a route.
  - ndriscoll 8mo ago
    Testing just now, it appears to not route through private roads unless it needs to (e.g. destination is on the private road) when you have that setting on, but it might just heavily down weight it so that if the public route is long enough out of the way, it will use it?
  - namibj 8mo ago
    See ndriscoll's answer; but besides that there should at least be a feature to tell your local app that a road in question is not to be considered private for yourself; imagine it telling you to go around a long way instead of cutting through your private driveway road that accesses your parcel from both bottom and top road, when you don't technically have the destination on your parcel (say, going to the neighbors across the bottom street straight from work which has you come by the top street first).