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Tim gave Trump the paper weight. Steve met once with Obama and complained about the fact Obama did not ask for the meeting personally, that it was too hard to

by junofan 8mo ago

Tim gave Trump the paper weight. Steve met once with Obama and complained about the fact Obama did not ask for the meeting personally, that it was too hard to build factories in America, and that teachers unions were kneecapping the American education system. All signs point to Trump and Jobs becoming thick-as-thieves. Sorry.

Teever 8mo ago
All those things may be true but at the end of the day guys like Jobs and Trump are like oil and water personality wise. Trump would have invariably said some stupid shit about Jobs publicly or to his face privately and Jobs would have never forgot it and would have obsessed with hurting Trump over it. For better or worse that's just the kind of guy he was.
- jjtheblunt 8mo ago
  Did you know him or ever speak with him in person? I have while working in Apple in a critical engineering group, and the negatives you keep citing seem to have died off in his 20s, at which time they indelibly (deservedly) tainted public perception. the post NeXT 'return' seemed very very different than what you describe, from in person experience.
  - WillAdams 8mo ago
    I really wish that there was an equivalent to the Mac's https://folklore.org/0-index.html https://folklore.org/0-index.html for the NeXT stage of things --- Luciano Dadda's recent book _Inside NeXT_ is nice for covering at least the hardware, but just not quite the same w/o the personal anecdotes
joe_mamba 8mo ago
>All signs point to Trump and Jobs becoming thick-as-thieves. Sorry. Yep, this. We're talking about a guy who basically abandoned his biological daughter, had his stuff manufactured by slave labor in factories with suicide nets to save costs and increase shareholder value, and GP imagines Steve Jobs as this leftist freedom fighter that would fight Trump instead of work together with him to increase profits even further. People's delul, historical revisionism of people who were just cutthroat unscrupulous businessmen at the end of the day, saddens me. We can agree has was good at business, without trying to whitewash him as some humanitarian saint. Don't worship people you never knew personally as some sort of heroes because you never know. For all we know he could have been a client on some else's island, like Steven Hawking.
- SpaceManNabs 8mo ago
  I rarely see tech hero worship pushback on here. I hope to see more of it. We are all human after all.
  - scottyah 8mo ago
    There's always plenty of pushback everywhere, all the social media apps are full of critics and hate on anyone who does anything in the world mercilessly. I like coming here to see people admire other people who worked hard to create something that made society better, and not spend as much time criticizing every little wrong thing they did.
    - joe_mamba 7mo ago
      >create something that made society better, How is society better off thanks to Steve Jobs? Are we better off now with everyone addicted to their phones for dopamine hits? >not spend as much time criticizing every little wrong thing they did. Using slave labor, creating mass addiction and environmental destruction via planned obsolescence, is a "little thing" to you?
      - scottyah 7mo ago
        Are you declaring Steve Jobs a God? Did he create all the apps you're addicted to or a wonderful tool that lets you access almost all of humanities history, can connect you with loved ones across the world in real-time, play music, movies, it's a compass, a map, etc. You can use a hammer to create or kill, and you blame the blacksmith for the dead. You use slave labor everyday, so you don't have much wiggle room to judge.
        joe_mamba 7mo ago
        >You use slave labor everyday, so you don't have much wiggle room to judge. I didn't use slave labor to become a billionaire and people don't worship me. Unlike you I don't virtue signal nor bootlick CEOs. I see the world as it truly is.
1986 8mo ago
Yeah, we're talking about the guy who leased a new car every 6 months in order to avoid having to put a license plate on it, and then parked it in handicap spots, right? Absolute same "rules for thee, not for me" energy
- WillAdams 7mo ago
  This earned a story at folklore.org https://folklore.org/Handicapped.html https://folklore.org/Handicapped.html
macintux 8mo ago
Jobs to Murdoch: > “The axis today is not liberal and conservative, the axis is constructive-destructive, and you’ve cast your lot with the destructive people. Fox has become an incredibly destructive force in our society. You can be better, and this is going to be your legacy if you’re not careful.”

by junofan 8mo ago

Teever 8mo ago

All those things may be true but at the end of the day guys like Jobs and Trump are like oil and water personality wise. Trump would have invariably said some stupid shit about Jobs publicly or to his face privately and Jobs would have never forgot it and would have obsessed with hurting Trump over it. For better or worse that's just the kind of guy he was.

jjtheblunt 8mo ago
Did you know him or ever speak with him in person? I have while working in Apple in a critical engineering group, and the negatives you keep citing seem to have died off in his 20s, at which time they indelibly (deservedly) tainted public perception. the post NeXT 'return' seemed very very different than what you describe, from in person experience.
- WillAdams 8mo ago
  I really wish that there was an equivalent to the Mac's https://folklore.org/0-index.html https://folklore.org/0-index.html for the NeXT stage of things --- Luciano Dadda's recent book _Inside NeXT_ is nice for covering at least the hardware, but just not quite the same w/o the personal anecdotes

joe_mamba 8mo ago

>All signs point to Trump and Jobs becoming thick-as-thieves. Sorry. Yep, this. We're talking about a guy who basically abandoned his biological daughter, had his stuff manufactured by slave labor in factories with suicide nets to save costs and increase shareholder value, and GP imagines Steve Jobs as this leftist freedom fighter that would fight Trump instead of work together with him to increase profits even further. People's delul, historical revisionism of people who were just cutthroat unscrupulous businessmen at the end of the day, saddens me. We can agree has was good at business, without trying to whitewash him as some humanitarian saint. Don't worship people you never knew personally as some sort of heroes because you never know. For all we know he could have been a client on some else's island, like Steven Hawking.

SpaceManNabs 8mo ago
I rarely see tech hero worship pushback on here. I hope to see more of it. We are all human after all.
- scottyah 8mo ago
  There's always plenty of pushback everywhere, all the social media apps are full of critics and hate on anyone who does anything in the world mercilessly. I like coming here to see people admire other people who worked hard to create something that made society better, and not spend as much time criticizing every little wrong thing they did.
  - joe_mamba 7mo ago
    >create something that made society better, How is society better off thanks to Steve Jobs? Are we better off now with everyone addicted to their phones for dopamine hits? >not spend as much time criticizing every little wrong thing they did. Using slave labor, creating mass addiction and environmental destruction via planned obsolescence, is a "little thing" to you?
    - scottyah 7mo ago
      Are you declaring Steve Jobs a God? Did he create all the apps you're addicted to or a wonderful tool that lets you access almost all of humanities history, can connect you with loved ones across the world in real-time, play music, movies, it's a compass, a map, etc. You can use a hammer to create or kill, and you blame the blacksmith for the dead. You use slave labor everyday, so you don't have much wiggle room to judge.
      - joe_mamba 7mo ago
        >You use slave labor everyday, so you don't have much wiggle room to judge. I didn't use slave labor to become a billionaire and people don't worship me. Unlike you I don't virtue signal nor bootlick CEOs. I see the world as it truly is.

1986 8mo ago

Yeah, we're talking about the guy who leased a new car every 6 months in order to avoid having to put a license plate on it, and then parked it in handicap spots, right? Absolute same "rules for thee, not for me" energy

WillAdams 7mo ago
This earned a story at folklore.org https://folklore.org/Handicapped.html https://folklore.org/Handicapped.html

macintux 8mo ago

Jobs to Murdoch: > “The axis today is not liberal and conservative, the axis is constructive-destructive, and you’ve cast your lot with the destructive people. Fox has become an incredibly destructive force in our society. You can be better, and this is going to be your legacy if you’re not careful.”