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I don't really care about Disney's business. The Disney adults, as people, are bleak. Take their money, who cares. > That said, it sounds like you are dismissi

I don't really care about Disney's business. The Disney adults, as people, are bleak. Take their money, who cares. > That said, it sounds like you are dismissive of Disney-fanatics when in reality everyone is hypertargeted by their specific subculture. Doesn't matter if your a Tater, a ranked MMO gamer, Boardgame addict, fantasy football aficionado, CrossFit enthusiast, etc. does everyone has to have a "specific subculture" that they consume? i feel like that way of looking at things is bleak. im a heavy fitness enthusiast and i hardly spend any money besides a basic gym membership and the cost of trail/camp permits

alephnerd 8mo ago
> does everyone has to have a "specific subculture" that they consume? Everyone already does. It's called hobbies. Some people make their hobbies their entire identity, others less so.
- parl_match 8mo ago
  a "specific subculture" really elevates "hobbies" beyond what they are, maybe hobbies don't have to be about consumption. In your post, it seemed like they did.
  - alephnerd 8mo ago
    The reality is, to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough, and invariably some people will spend more of their discretionary income on said hobby over others. And businesses are businesses - be their your local small business bicycle shop or a mega-conglomerate like Disney - and as such will always optimize for those people who are open to spending a larger proportion on said hobby than the median consumer. I'm sure if we all took a look at everyone else's hobbies and spending, we would find stuff which we would view as ridiculous consumption but the other person would view as valuable. For example, I've been pretty competitive in powerlifting for several years (especially as I used to crosstrain in HS for wrestling and track&field) and unsurprisingly spending significantly more than other people getting personal training from coaches, buying IWF-certified barbells, Nike Romaleos, Titan bumper plates, etc. Someone who isn't into powerlifting would look at me as being weird (why not just go to a gym 2 times a week and call it a day?!?) but I derive utility from it. As long as someone is able to afford their hobby without impacting their professional and personal lives, there is nothing wrong with it.
    - coldtea 8mo ago
      >The reality is, to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough, No shortage of very cheap or free hobbies. Walking is free. Cooking is what you'd spend anyway for food (or cheaper if it helps you skip delivery), watching movies cheap (not to mention piratable), coding is cheap, playing 8-bit games is cheap, a book club is cheap, sewing is cheap, drawing is cheap, writing is cheap...
      - alephnerd 8mo ago
        In almost all cases you are still purchasing, consuming, and being targeted in some shape or form. Literally every hobby has an incentive to target those practitioners who heavily spend and spend time with other similar minded practitioners. > Cooking And you see the rise of influencer and performance driven marketing by firms like Henckels and Le Crueset (nothing wrong with that) along with those who truly love cooking specific types of cuisine overindexing on unique or subsets of ingredients (Geographic Indicator or bust) > watching movies cheap (not to mention piratable) And you see plenty of movie enthusiasts optimizing for 4K displays, high fidelity sound, or falling deep into IP-driven subcultures like Disney-fanatics > coding is cheap And you see whales who spend inordinate amounts on money on mechanical keyboards, 4K monitors, personal rigs, etc > playing 8-bit games is cheap Retro gamers. > book club is cheap Book subscriptions and local bookstore-led book clubs --- Show me the hobby, and I will show you the whales that all businesses in that specific hobby will target.
        parl_match 8mo ago
        > Show me the hobby, and I will show you the whales that all businesses in that specific hobby will target. Sure, they can exist. Does that mean you are obligated to purchase? > And you see plenty of movie enthusiasts optimizing for 4K displays, high fidelity sound, or falling deep into IP-driven subcultures like Disney-fanatics It almost sounds like the most exciting part of a hobby for you is buying things.
        coldtea 8mo ago
        >In almost all cases you are still purchasing, consuming, and being targeted in some shape or form. "In some shape of form" is a quite moved goalpost from "to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough". >Show me the hobby, and I will show you the whales that all businesses in that specific hobby will target. You can spend a fortune even on socks, if you're so inclined. Or pay $1000 for a Juicero. Doesn't mean you have to, which was the claim.
- coldtea 8mo ago
  Most people don't base their personality on their hobbies
  - CharlesW 8mo ago
    And most adults who like Disney aren't "Disney adults". There are extremists in every hobby and fandom.
  - Rebelgecko 8mo ago
    (x) to doubt
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alephnerd 8mo ago

> does everyone has to have a "specific subculture" that they consume? Everyone already does. It's called hobbies. Some people make their hobbies their entire identity, others less so.

parl_match 8mo ago
a "specific subculture" really elevates "hobbies" beyond what they are, maybe hobbies don't have to be about consumption. In your post, it seemed like they did.
- alephnerd 8mo ago
  The reality is, to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough, and invariably some people will spend more of their discretionary income on said hobby over others. And businesses are businesses - be their your local small business bicycle shop or a mega-conglomerate like Disney - and as such will always optimize for those people who are open to spending a larger proportion on said hobby than the median consumer. I'm sure if we all took a look at everyone else's hobbies and spending, we would find stuff which we would view as ridiculous consumption but the other person would view as valuable. For example, I've been pretty competitive in powerlifting for several years (especially as I used to crosstrain in HS for wrestling and track&field) and unsurprisingly spending significantly more than other people getting personal training from coaches, buying IWF-certified barbells, Nike Romaleos, Titan bumper plates, etc. Someone who isn't into powerlifting would look at me as being weird (why not just go to a gym 2 times a week and call it a day?!?) but I derive utility from it. As long as someone is able to afford their hobby without impacting their professional and personal lives, there is nothing wrong with it.
  - coldtea 8mo ago
    >The reality is, to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough, No shortage of very cheap or free hobbies. Walking is free. Cooking is what you'd spend anyway for food (or cheaper if it helps you skip delivery), watching movies cheap (not to mention piratable), coding is cheap, playing 8-bit games is cheap, a book club is cheap, sewing is cheap, drawing is cheap, writing is cheap...
    - alephnerd 8mo ago
      In almost all cases you are still purchasing, consuming, and being targeted in some shape or form. Literally every hobby has an incentive to target those practitioners who heavily spend and spend time with other similar minded practitioners. > Cooking And you see the rise of influencer and performance driven marketing by firms like Henckels and Le Crueset (nothing wrong with that) along with those who truly love cooking specific types of cuisine overindexing on unique or subsets of ingredients (Geographic Indicator or bust) > watching movies cheap (not to mention piratable) And you see plenty of movie enthusiasts optimizing for 4K displays, high fidelity sound, or falling deep into IP-driven subcultures like Disney-fanatics > coding is cheap And you see whales who spend inordinate amounts on money on mechanical keyboards, 4K monitors, personal rigs, etc > playing 8-bit games is cheap Retro gamers. > book club is cheap Book subscriptions and local bookstore-led book clubs --- Show me the hobby, and I will show you the whales that all businesses in that specific hobby will target.
      - parl_match 8mo ago
        > Show me the hobby, and I will show you the whales that all businesses in that specific hobby will target. Sure, they can exist. Does that mean you are obligated to purchase? > And you see plenty of movie enthusiasts optimizing for 4K displays, high fidelity sound, or falling deep into IP-driven subcultures like Disney-fanatics It almost sounds like the most exciting part of a hobby for you is buying things.
      - coldtea 8mo ago
        >In almost all cases you are still purchasing, consuming, and being targeted in some shape or form. "In some shape of form" is a quite moved goalpost from "to participate in any hobby you will have to expend significant amounts of dough". >Show me the hobby, and I will show you the whales that all businesses in that specific hobby will target. You can spend a fortune even on socks, if you're so inclined. Or pay $1000 for a Juicero. Doesn't mean you have to, which was the claim.
coldtea 8mo ago
Most people don't base their personality on their hobbies
- CharlesW 8mo ago
  And most adults who like Disney aren't "Disney adults". There are extremists in every hobby and fandom.
- Rebelgecko 8mo ago
  (x) to doubt

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