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China has reduced its pollution massively since the 90s while aggressively expanding its industrial output. And they have done it without excessive bureaucracy

China has reduced its pollution massively since the 90s while aggressively expanding its industrial output. And they have done it without excessive bureaucracy and delays in construction. In the US environmental laws are not about the environment at all. They are there to enrich lawyers who profit from multi year permitting processes and lawsuits.

danans 8mo ago
> China has reduced its pollution massively since the 90s while aggressively expanding its industrial output. And they have done it without excessive bureaucracy China's system is authoritarian state-capitalism. It is precisely the bureaucracy that steered it's industries toward this outcome.
- dmix 8mo ago
  It helps you can buy an electric car in China for 1/4th the price as California. They also massively invested in every sort of energy (not just solar) where it's cheap and affordable to develop industry. Everyone obsesses about labour costs but almost everything is easier and cheaper to build in China because they allow stuff to be built there. Including the workers far lower housing, utilities, fuel, and food prices which lower the cost of living.
  - inigyou 8mo ago
    That's because the bureaucracy there is making stuff get built instead of making stuff not get built, and it planned all the externalities too.
mistrial9 8mo ago
> In the US environmental laws are not about the environment at all. that is literally nonsense .. lazy nonsense, ill-willed nonsense.. Ignorant nonsense. literally four seconds to search " history of us environmental law"
gamblor956 8mo ago
It really helps when the government can just disappear someone when they don't play along with government edicts.
- baggachipz 8mo ago
  Don't worry, we in the US will get to enjoy that soon enough.
scottyah 8mo ago
Don't forget Insurance companies! They define and enforce a lot of the requirements too, it's also why all the new parks look the same.

danans 8mo ago

> China has reduced its pollution massively since the 90s while aggressively expanding its industrial output. And they have done it without excessive bureaucracy China's system is authoritarian state-capitalism. It is precisely the bureaucracy that steered it's industries toward this outcome.

dmix 8mo ago
It helps you can buy an electric car in China for 1/4th the price as California. They also massively invested in every sort of energy (not just solar) where it's cheap and affordable to develop industry. Everyone obsesses about labour costs but almost everything is easier and cheaper to build in China because they allow stuff to be built there. Including the workers far lower housing, utilities, fuel, and food prices which lower the cost of living.
- inigyou 8mo ago
  That's because the bureaucracy there is making stuff get built instead of making stuff not get built, and it planned all the externalities too.

mistrial9 8mo ago

> In the US environmental laws are not about the environment at all. that is literally nonsense .. lazy nonsense, ill-willed nonsense.. Ignorant nonsense. literally four seconds to search " history of us environmental law"

gamblor956 8mo ago

It really helps when the government can just disappear someone when they don't play along with government edicts.

baggachipz 8mo ago
Don't worry, we in the US will get to enjoy that soon enough.

scottyah 8mo ago

Don't forget Insurance companies! They define and enforce a lot of the requirements too, it's also why all the new parks look the same.