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>fake OF models Soon many real OF models will be out of job when everyone will be able to produce content to their personal taste from a few prompts.

baal80spam 7mo ago
And this can't come soon enough.
- noumenon1111 7mo ago
  Coming soon... YOU!
coldtea 7mo ago
And they might have to gasp! get an honest job!
- switchbak 7mo ago
  I don't know much about that side of things, but I presume that's hard work! Maybe not always so honest though.
- xfeeefeee 7mo ago
  That's a pretty wide brush you are painting with there
  - coldtea 7mo ago
    That OF is not a honest job? That's the narrowest of brushes. Anybody thinking otherwise is the one painting with an overly broad mind, and not in a good way.
pousada 7mo ago
You can’t really because these powerful models are censored. You can create lewd pictures with open models but they aren’t nearly as good or easy to use.
- coffeebeqn 7mo ago
  I’ve seen some very high quality NSFW AI video in the last few months. Those models are not far behind and the search and training space for porn is smaller than being able to generate anything
  - bsder 7mo ago
    > I’ve seen some very high quality NSFW AI video in the last few months. Those models are not far behind and the search and training space for porn is smaller than being able to generate anything. Agreed. In my opinion, the primary limitation of the porn models is actually poor labeling of the training set. The company that manages to produce a well-labeled, porn-tuned AI image model is going to absolutely clean up. The extractive dark patterns that will emerge from a parasocial chat "AI relationship" that can generate porn images relevant to the chat on the fly will be staggering. Once that proceeds to being able to generate relevant video, all holy hell is going to break loose.
    - Sharlin 7mo ago
      > The company that manages to produce a well-labeled, porn-tuned AI image model is going to absolutely clean up. For anime/non-photographic content that essentially exists (Pony, then Illustrious, then probably some new-fangled thing by now that I don't even know about), thanks to the meticulously tagged booru image corpus. However, as strong as these models are on matters of anatomy and kinks, they're limited in other ways due to the hugely biased dataset and dependence on tag soup prompts rather than natural language (many find the latter a plus, not a minus, though). I haven't heard of any proprietary/cloud-based NSFW model that would be massively better than what's available for free. There are many NSFW-friendly services, but by and large they're just frontends to models trained by other people.
- sosodev 7mo ago
  Doesn't Grok allow users to create lewd content or did they roll that back? Also, I suspect that we'll soon see the same pattern of open weights models following several months behind frontier in every modality not just text. It's just too easy for other labs to produce synthetic training data from the frontier models and then mimic their behavior. They'll never be as good, but they will certainly be good enough.
sodacanner 7mo ago
People already have access to every form of niche pornography they could dare to imagine (for absolutely free!), I really doubt that 'personal taste' is the part that makes OF models their money. They'll be fine.
- sosodev 7mo ago
  I think you're under-estimating how much personal taste applies in that industry. Yes, there's a lot of free content but it's often low quality and/or difficult to find for a particular niche. The OF pages, and other paid sites, are curated collections of high quality stuff that can satisfy particular cravings repeatedly with minimal effort. A big part of it also the feeling of "connection" with the creator via messages and what not, but that too can be replicated (arguably better) by AI. In fact, a lot of those messages are already being generated haha.
  - sodacanner 7mo ago
    I was mostly hinting towards the 'connection' part of it, yes - I think that's really where the money is made more than anything else. That's the part that'll start killing the industry once some company tunes it in.
  - deklesen 7mo ago
    For a podcast on this topic (niche pornography and how it was affected by the advent of pornhub and the likes) check out "the butterfly effect"
  - abraxas 7mo ago
    This is the dystopia of that pacified moon from "Mold of Yancy" by PKD but taken to the next level. What's astonishing abut the present is that even PKD did not foresee the possibility of an artificial being not only being constructed from whole cloth but actually tailored to each individual.
    - pixl97 7mo ago
      We looked forward to the future, but it turns out the future smashed into our blind spot from the side.
sekai 7mo ago
> Soon many real OF models will be out of job when everyone will be able to produce content to their personal taste from a few prompts. net positive to society
- fwip 7mo ago
  In what way? Certainly not for the models, who lose their income/job. Probably not better for the consumer, either.
  - blibble 7mo ago
    or the taxpayer the high end probably pay the same sort of tax as professional footballers
    - dzhiurgis 7mo ago
      Sex work shouldn't be shunned, but it's not a normal profession either. Mental health, addiction and abuse is just as much of a problem online and in countries where prostitution is legal and normalized.
  - jpadkins 7mo ago
    lose the income, but likely they will live a more fulfilling life.
    - pixl97 7mo ago
      More fulfilling life starving on the streets with beginner programmers looking for a job?
dfxm12 7mo ago
I don't think so. Talking to people in this space, I've found out about broad camps. There are probably more: -They simply aren't into real women/men (so you couldn't even pay a model to do what they're looking for). -They want to play out fantasies that would be hard to coordinate even if you could pay models (I guess this is more on the video side of things, but a string of photos can put be together into a comic) -They want to generate imagery that would be illegal Based on this, I would guess fetish artists (as in illustrators) are more at risk than OF models. However, AI isn't free. Depending on what you're looking for, commissions might be cheaper still for quite a while...
- whynotmaybe 7mo ago
  Lily Allen Says Her OnlyFans Feet Pictures Make More Money Than Spotify Streams: ‘Don’t Hate the Player, Hate the Game’ : https://variety.com/2024/music/news/lily-allen-onlyfans-feet-pictures-spotify-1236191247/ https://variety.com/2024/music/news/lily-allen-onlyfans-feet...
mjr00 7mo ago
Even ignoring the model censorship making high quality sexual imagery/videos not possible, this is a crazy take. You think OF models are making money because it's the only way to see a nude man/woman with particular characteristics on the internet? You're completely misunderstanding what the product being sold is.
- mfkp 7mo ago
  If you don't think that OF models are using AI to reply to incoming chats from users, well I've got a bridge to sell ya.
  - mjr00 7mo ago
    No, I don't think OF models aren't using AI to respond to chat. Where did I say I thought that?
    - mfkp 7mo ago
      Then please explain what you're talking about.
      - Sharlin 7mo ago
        Their point is that the point of OF is that there is (supposed to be) a real human. It's a (para)social relationship that no image generator model is going to give you.
        pixl97 7mo ago
        If you can make X money running one client at a time you can make ( X × N ) money if you work with N clients at a time. You have to give just enough human to keep'em hooked.
        mfkp 7mo ago
        Yes, and my point is that the (supposedly) real human is also AI. You're chatting with a bot.

baal80spam 7mo ago

And this can't come soon enough.

noumenon1111 7mo ago
Coming soon... YOU!

coldtea 7mo ago

And they might have to gasp! get an honest job!

switchbak 7mo ago
I don't know much about that side of things, but I presume that's hard work! Maybe not always so honest though.
xfeeefeee 7mo ago
That's a pretty wide brush you are painting with there
- coldtea 7mo ago
  That OF is not a honest job? That's the narrowest of brushes. Anybody thinking otherwise is the one painting with an overly broad mind, and not in a good way.

pousada 7mo ago

You can’t really because these powerful models are censored. You can create lewd pictures with open models but they aren’t nearly as good or easy to use.

coffeebeqn 7mo ago
I’ve seen some very high quality NSFW AI video in the last few months. Those models are not far behind and the search and training space for porn is smaller than being able to generate anything
- bsder 7mo ago
  > I’ve seen some very high quality NSFW AI video in the last few months. Those models are not far behind and the search and training space for porn is smaller than being able to generate anything. Agreed. In my opinion, the primary limitation of the porn models is actually poor labeling of the training set. The company that manages to produce a well-labeled, porn-tuned AI image model is going to absolutely clean up. The extractive dark patterns that will emerge from a parasocial chat "AI relationship" that can generate porn images relevant to the chat on the fly will be staggering. Once that proceeds to being able to generate relevant video, all holy hell is going to break loose.
  - Sharlin 7mo ago
    > The company that manages to produce a well-labeled, porn-tuned AI image model is going to absolutely clean up. For anime/non-photographic content that essentially exists (Pony, then Illustrious, then probably some new-fangled thing by now that I don't even know about), thanks to the meticulously tagged booru image corpus. However, as strong as these models are on matters of anatomy and kinks, they're limited in other ways due to the hugely biased dataset and dependence on tag soup prompts rather than natural language (many find the latter a plus, not a minus, though). I haven't heard of any proprietary/cloud-based NSFW model that would be massively better than what's available for free. There are many NSFW-friendly services, but by and large they're just frontends to models trained by other people.
sosodev 7mo ago
Doesn't Grok allow users to create lewd content or did they roll that back? Also, I suspect that we'll soon see the same pattern of open weights models following several months behind frontier in every modality not just text. It's just too easy for other labs to produce synthetic training data from the frontier models and then mimic their behavior. They'll never be as good, but they will certainly be good enough.

sodacanner 7mo ago

People already have access to every form of niche pornography they could dare to imagine (for absolutely free!), I really doubt that 'personal taste' is the part that makes OF models their money. They'll be fine.

sosodev 7mo ago
I think you're under-estimating how much personal taste applies in that industry. Yes, there's a lot of free content but it's often low quality and/or difficult to find for a particular niche. The OF pages, and other paid sites, are curated collections of high quality stuff that can satisfy particular cravings repeatedly with minimal effort. A big part of it also the feeling of "connection" with the creator via messages and what not, but that too can be replicated (arguably better) by AI. In fact, a lot of those messages are already being generated haha.
- sodacanner 7mo ago
  I was mostly hinting towards the 'connection' part of it, yes - I think that's really where the money is made more than anything else. That's the part that'll start killing the industry once some company tunes it in.
- deklesen 7mo ago
  For a podcast on this topic (niche pornography and how it was affected by the advent of pornhub and the likes) check out "the butterfly effect"
- abraxas 7mo ago
  This is the dystopia of that pacified moon from "Mold of Yancy" by PKD but taken to the next level. What's astonishing abut the present is that even PKD did not foresee the possibility of an artificial being not only being constructed from whole cloth but actually tailored to each individual.
  - pixl97 7mo ago
    We looked forward to the future, but it turns out the future smashed into our blind spot from the side.

sekai 7mo ago

> Soon many real OF models will be out of job when everyone will be able to produce content to their personal taste from a few prompts. net positive to society

fwip 7mo ago
In what way? Certainly not for the models, who lose their income/job. Probably not better for the consumer, either.
- blibble 7mo ago
  or the taxpayer the high end probably pay the same sort of tax as professional footballers
  - dzhiurgis 7mo ago
    Sex work shouldn't be shunned, but it's not a normal profession either. Mental health, addiction and abuse is just as much of a problem online and in countries where prostitution is legal and normalized.
- jpadkins 7mo ago
  lose the income, but likely they will live a more fulfilling life.
  - pixl97 7mo ago
    More fulfilling life starving on the streets with beginner programmers looking for a job?

dfxm12 7mo ago

I don't think so. Talking to people in this space, I've found out about broad camps. There are probably more: -They simply aren't into real women/men (so you couldn't even pay a model to do what they're looking for). -They want to play out fantasies that would be hard to coordinate even if you could pay models (I guess this is more on the video side of things, but a string of photos can put be together into a comic) -They want to generate imagery that would be illegal Based on this, I would guess fetish artists (as in illustrators) are more at risk than OF models. However, AI isn't free. Depending on what you're looking for, commissions might be cheaper still for quite a while...

whynotmaybe 7mo ago
Lily Allen Says Her OnlyFans Feet Pictures Make More Money Than Spotify Streams: ‘Don’t Hate the Player, Hate the Game’ : https://variety.com/2024/music/news/lily-allen-onlyfans-feet-pictures-spotify-1236191247/ https://variety.com/2024/music/news/lily-allen-onlyfans-feet...

mjr00 7mo ago

Even ignoring the model censorship making high quality sexual imagery/videos not possible, this is a crazy take. You think OF models are making money because it's the only way to see a nude man/woman with particular characteristics on the internet? You're completely misunderstanding what the product being sold is.

mfkp 7mo ago
If you don't think that OF models are using AI to reply to incoming chats from users, well I've got a bridge to sell ya.
- mjr00 7mo ago
  No, I don't think OF models aren't using AI to respond to chat. Where did I say I thought that?
  - mfkp 7mo ago
    Then please explain what you're talking about.
    - Sharlin 7mo ago
      Their point is that the point of OF is that there is (supposed to be) a real human. It's a (para)social relationship that no image generator model is going to give you.
      - pixl97 7mo ago
        If you can make X money running one client at a time you can make ( X × N ) money if you work with N clients at a time. You have to give just enough human to keep'em hooked.
      - mfkp 7mo ago
        Yes, and my point is that the (supposedly) real human is also AI. You're chatting with a bot.