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A bit of a code-word for "anything that doesn’t fit into our own world-view". I see this phrase tossed around right-wing circles quite a bit, and it should be r

A bit of a code-word for "anything that doesn’t fit into our own world-view". I see this phrase tossed around right-wing circles quite a bit, and it should be regarded carefully.

bediger4000 8mo ago
I had the impression "NVE" was used to avoid describing folks like the Butler PA shooter, Charlie Kirk's assassin, and this last would be lone gunman as conservatives.
- saghm 8mo ago
  And yet if you say that on television the administration will try to pull you off the air: https://www.npr.org/2025/09/18/nx-s1-5544559/abc-jimmy-kimmel-comments-charlie-kirk https://www.npr.org/2025/09/18/nx-s1-5544559/abc-jimmy-kimme... The parent comment is warning about the potential for a false representation of a crisis being used to grab more power; the underlying facts being inconsistent with the supposed crisis is not particularly surprising
- alphawhisky 8mo ago
  That's exactly it. These people were not disillusioned with the whole world, just their political party.
- akramachamarei 8mo ago
  > to avoid describing […] Kirk's assassin [as conservative] That was a bit of a canard, though, right? Did anyone seriously think he was a conservative? I thought this was just another mental gymnastics act in the Whataboutism Circus. With some photo fabrication to support it, according to Wikipedia.
  - bediger4000 8mo ago
    I mean, yes, you can do the "No true conservative" the same way you can do "No true Scotsman". Doesn't invalidate the point of using "NVE" to avoid describing a number of assassins or would be assassins as conservatives.
    - akramachamarei 8mo ago
      I wasn't trying to invalidate your point, just pointing out one of the examples was wrong. I have no idea about the others.
iamnothere 8mo ago
Yes, the current admin is pushing this as a catch-all category for people they want to monitor/disrupt but who don’t fit into traditional categories. It’s smart to be wary any time there is an official “threat” defined, as there’s often something else behind it.
mindslight 8mo ago
It seems from the same vein of bullshit as "Trump Derangement Syndrome" - the fascists have projected their own "motivated by attempts at taking down major societal institutions, attempting to cause political and societal chaos, or otherwise committing violent acts somewhere without a cohesive ideological worldview" onto some ambiguous and changing other, to preempt such labels being applied to themselves.
- tracker1 8mo ago
  It all gets categorized as right-wing violence anyways.
  - mindslight 8mo ago
    Presumably this is part of an attempt to stop that and diffuse the blame? So-called "patriot" militias have gone legit with federal badges and everything now. It's like how they desperately wanted to pin trans trans trans onto Charlie Kirk's murderer, to take focus away from the rightist dynamic of DIY solving your problem with a gun.
    - tracker1 8mo ago
      I was a little tongue and cheek, but also serious. No left-wing violence is generally labelled as such... If it's a left-wing anti-govt group, still gets labelled as right-wing violence, for example, because anti-govt always labelled as right-wing. All the Floyd riots, none of it ever labelled as left-wing violence.
      - krapp 8mo ago
        > All the Floyd riots, none of it ever labelled as left-wing violence. Yes it was, by the right (including the current administration.) People on the right (including plenty here on HN) literally called BLM a "violent Marxist terrorist organization" that "burned entire cities to the ground." ICE protests are called "violent leftist extremism." Anyone ICE shoots dead was a violent leftist terrorist all along. Protesting Israel is violent leftist antisemitism. Making jokes about Charlie Kirk only shows how bloodthirsty and violent the left is. Every single US mass shooting is linked to "stochastic leftist violence" regardless of the shooter's actual politics.

A bit of a code-word for "anything that doesn’t fit into our own world-view". I see this phrase tossed around right-wing circles quite a bit, and it should be regarded carefully.

bediger4000 8mo ago

I had the impression "NVE" was used to avoid describing folks like the Butler PA shooter, Charlie Kirk's assassin, and this last would be lone gunman as conservatives.

saghm 8mo ago
And yet if you say that on television the administration will try to pull you off the air: https://www.npr.org/2025/09/18/nx-s1-5544559/abc-jimmy-kimmel-comments-charlie-kirk https://www.npr.org/2025/09/18/nx-s1-5544559/abc-jimmy-kimme... The parent comment is warning about the potential for a false representation of a crisis being used to grab more power; the underlying facts being inconsistent with the supposed crisis is not particularly surprising
alphawhisky 8mo ago
That's exactly it. These people were not disillusioned with the whole world, just their political party.
akramachamarei 8mo ago
> to avoid describing […] Kirk's assassin [as conservative] That was a bit of a canard, though, right? Did anyone seriously think he was a conservative? I thought this was just another mental gymnastics act in the Whataboutism Circus. With some photo fabrication to support it, according to Wikipedia.
- bediger4000 8mo ago
  I mean, yes, you can do the "No true conservative" the same way you can do "No true Scotsman". Doesn't invalidate the point of using "NVE" to avoid describing a number of assassins or would be assassins as conservatives.
  - akramachamarei 8mo ago
    I wasn't trying to invalidate your point, just pointing out one of the examples was wrong. I have no idea about the others.

iamnothere 8mo ago

Yes, the current admin is pushing this as a catch-all category for people they want to monitor/disrupt but who don’t fit into traditional categories. It’s smart to be wary any time there is an official “threat” defined, as there’s often something else behind it.

mindslight 8mo ago

It seems from the same vein of bullshit as "Trump Derangement Syndrome" - the fascists have projected their own "motivated by attempts at taking down major societal institutions, attempting to cause political and societal chaos, or otherwise committing violent acts somewhere without a cohesive ideological worldview" onto some ambiguous and changing other, to preempt such labels being applied to themselves.

tracker1 8mo ago
It all gets categorized as right-wing violence anyways.
- mindslight 8mo ago
  Presumably this is part of an attempt to stop that and diffuse the blame? So-called "patriot" militias have gone legit with federal badges and everything now. It's like how they desperately wanted to pin trans trans trans onto Charlie Kirk's murderer, to take focus away from the rightist dynamic of DIY solving your problem with a gun.
  - tracker1 8mo ago
    I was a little tongue and cheek, but also serious. No left-wing violence is generally labelled as such... If it's a left-wing anti-govt group, still gets labelled as right-wing violence, for example, because anti-govt always labelled as right-wing. All the Floyd riots, none of it ever labelled as left-wing violence.
    - krapp 8mo ago
      > All the Floyd riots, none of it ever labelled as left-wing violence. Yes it was, by the right (including the current administration.) People on the right (including plenty here on HN) literally called BLM a "violent Marxist terrorist organization" that "burned entire cities to the ground." ICE protests are called "violent leftist extremism." Anyone ICE shoots dead was a violent leftist terrorist all along. Protesting Israel is violent leftist antisemitism. Making jokes about Charlie Kirk only shows how bloodthirsty and violent the left is. Every single US mass shooting is linked to "stochastic leftist violence" regardless of the shooter's actual politics.