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What's "entertaining" is more the speed at which it's happening. It took Google probably 15 years to fully evil-ize. Anthropic ... two? There is no "ethical c

What's "entertaining" is more the speed at which it's happening. It took Google probably 15 years to fully evil-ize. Anthropic ... two? There is no "ethical capitalism" big tech company possible, esp once VC is involved, and especially with the current geopolitical circumstances.

sigmoid10 8mo ago
Apparently they got coerced by the current US admin. The department of war in particular, who want to use their products for military applications. Not much room for "safety" there. Then again, the entire US is currently speedrunning an evil build.
- coldtea 8mo ago
  Shame they had to "coerce" such angels, who'd never do evil for profit otherwise...
- grim_io 8mo ago
  There is no department of war. It's just a silly woke secretary choosing their own imaginary pronouns.
- nozzlegear 8mo ago
  > department of war Department of Defense is the official name, and they did have a choice: they could have stopped working with the military. But they chose money and evil.
  - sigmoid10 8mo ago
    Not sure what you mean by "official." They call themselves that way: https://www.war.gov/ https://www.war.gov/ It doesn't matter that there exists another name on some paper, when all official, ceremonial and public communications use this name. The old name is about as worthless as the constitution or the senate at this point. The executive branch has successfully taken over the country.
drzaiusx11 8mo ago
The acceleration of Anthropic's evil timeline must be from all those AI productivity gains we hear so much about.
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menaerus 8mo ago
I don't think it's fair to call out Anthropic to have become evil-ized while they were quite literally forced by the gov into that decision.
- cmrdporcupine 8mo ago
  Anthropic has been doing these things independent of what the US admin has publicly asked for, even before Hegseth started breathing down their neck. They were already taking DoD contracts and like, just like the rest of them. Hegseth, with the skill all schoolyard bullies have, simply smells their weakness and is going for the jugular now. They also have never had any guarantees they wouldn't f*ck around with non-US citizens, for surveillance and "security", because like most US tech companies they consider us to be second/lower class human beings of no relevance, even when we pay them money. At least Google, in its early days, attempted a modest and naive "internationalism" and tried to keep their hands clean (in the early days) of US foreign policy things... inheriting a kind of naive 1990s techno-libertarian ethos (which they threw away during the time I worked there, anyways). I mean, they only kinda did, but whatever. Anthropic has been high on its own supply since its founding, just like OpenAI. And just as hypocritical.
- johnbellone 8mo ago
  They did not get forced.
oldcigarette 8mo ago
Citation needed - see google and project maven. Of course that is all well in the past now - but for a brief moment google was capable of taking an ethical stance.
reasonableklout 8mo ago
How did they evil-ize? The new Responsible Scaling Policy is still the most transparent out of all the labs. And there are the separate principles they’ve stipulated for the Pentagon, under which they’re facing threat of nationalization or being declared a supply chain risk

sigmoid10 8mo ago

Apparently they got coerced by the current US admin. The department of war in particular, who want to use their products for military applications. Not much room for "safety" there. Then again, the entire US is currently speedrunning an evil build.

coldtea 8mo ago
Shame they had to "coerce" such angels, who'd never do evil for profit otherwise...
grim_io 8mo ago
There is no department of war. It's just a silly woke secretary choosing their own imaginary pronouns.
nozzlegear 8mo ago
> department of war Department of Defense is the official name, and they did have a choice: they could have stopped working with the military. But they chose money and evil.
- sigmoid10 8mo ago
  Not sure what you mean by "official." They call themselves that way: https://www.war.gov/ https://www.war.gov/ It doesn't matter that there exists another name on some paper, when all official, ceremonial and public communications use this name. The old name is about as worthless as the constitution or the senate at this point. The executive branch has successfully taken over the country.

drzaiusx11 8mo ago

The acceleration of Anthropic's evil timeline must be from all those AI productivity gains we hear so much about.

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menaerus 8mo ago

I don't think it's fair to call out Anthropic to have become evil-ized while they were quite literally forced by the gov into that decision.

cmrdporcupine 8mo ago
Anthropic has been doing these things independent of what the US admin has publicly asked for, even before Hegseth started breathing down their neck. They were already taking DoD contracts and like, just like the rest of them. Hegseth, with the skill all schoolyard bullies have, simply smells their weakness and is going for the jugular now. They also have never had any guarantees they wouldn't f*ck around with non-US citizens, for surveillance and "security", because like most US tech companies they consider us to be second/lower class human beings of no relevance, even when we pay them money. At least Google, in its early days, attempted a modest and naive "internationalism" and tried to keep their hands clean (in the early days) of US foreign policy things... inheriting a kind of naive 1990s techno-libertarian ethos (which they threw away during the time I worked there, anyways). I mean, they only kinda did, but whatever. Anthropic has been high on its own supply since its founding, just like OpenAI. And just as hypocritical.
johnbellone 8mo ago
They did not get forced.

oldcigarette 8mo ago

Citation needed - see google and project maven. Of course that is all well in the past now - but for a brief moment google was capable of taking an ethical stance.

reasonableklout 8mo ago

How did they evil-ize? The new Responsible Scaling Policy is still the most transparent out of all the labs. And there are the separate principles they’ve stipulated for the Pentagon, under which they’re facing threat of nationalization or being declared a supply chain risk