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I'm afraid that all the foxes are in the chicken coop at this point. Which is a nice way to say we're probably hosed until the people rise up and force change.

I'm afraid that all the foxes are in the chicken coop at this point. Which is a nice way to say we're probably hosed until the people rise up and force change. It does seem like Anthropic is at least the only big AI company that is pursuing some safety discussions around their technology like not using it for surveillance and war for killing people autonomously. This administration is wielding a power that was meant to serve Americans in the past by forcing companies to conform to an agenda that is anti-democratic/freedom/constitutional. I'm just not confident they will stand against this administration when the going gets tough but let's see what happens this Friday I guess.

libertine 8mo ago
What makes you think there are any chickens left? Because it looks like it's all foxes. This administration got elected because tech billionaires invested in it. They were right behind them, and I mean literally. Isn't it possible that this was all deliberately done by tech companies to get access to data and consolidate their position, and secure public funding?
- voidhorse 8mo ago
  This. Most of them weren't exactly bullied. Outside of having a military, several tech companies are probably more powerful than nation states at this point, and I think some of them realize this. As long as a complete slip into barbarism is still not fully on the table, nations need the data that tech companies have more or less entirely captured and established a complete hegemony around at this point. They also rely directly on their products. I guess the EU is starting to wake up to how problematic this is.
- GiorgioG 8mo ago
  Let's not pretend this started with this administration. I'm not pointing any fingers at any one party or politician, but this is nothing new: From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_(1970–2013) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure... 'By the late 1990s ECHELON was reportedly capable of monitoring up to 90% of all internet traffic. According to the BBC in May 2001, however, "The US Government still refused to admit that Echelon even exists."'
  - bilbo0s 8mo ago
    This. You could also say that this is what the people have wanted for decades. Remember the PATRIOT Act? Voted in by a vote of 99 to 1 in the senate. (And the 1 who voted against it? Yeah, we got rid of him for a more "law and order" type guy.) What we're seeing is just the people getting more of what they're demanding. You get the government you deserve. And you deserve to get that government good and hard as often as possible.
    - j45 8mo ago
      After the shock of 9/11 and I believe it was only meant to be temporary
      - krapp 8mo ago
        Specific programs and laws be temporary - the PATRIOT act is mostly expired now - but the status quo established is meant to be permanent. It's called "shock doctrine" for a reason[0]. The current administration is trying the same thing by presenting "Chinese interference" and "illegal immigration" as being equally existential threats as 9/11. And some of the uglier implementations may be repealed, ICE may be "reformed," there may be "hearings" and "committees" and that may give the illusion of "returning to normal" but we will never go back to the reality of power before Trump any more than we can go back to the reality of power before 9/11. Absent revolution and civil war, it's simply impossible. [0]https://medium.com/@s-blog/a-history-of-disaster-capitalism-the-shock-doctrine-according-to-naomi-klein-732b29d84fff https://medium.com/@s-blog/a-history-of-disaster-capitalism-...
  - libertine 8mo ago
    I don't think it started with this administration, but the normalization of corruption sure did.
    - littlecorner 8mo ago
      On the plus side, the current administration isn't obscuring the corruption like previous administrations, which is somewhat refreshing.
- philipallstar 8mo ago
  > This administration got elected because tech billionaires invested in it This is just not true. If one party sprints leftward and then points at the other party and calls them far right, eventually people notice. The top issues were illegal immigration, prices, and the fact that the Democrats just couldn't answer the question "what is a woman?" even when being confirmed as supreme court justices. If you look totally mad and self-destructive, you will eventually lose in America. Unless you're Gavin Newsom, perhaps.
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  - libertine 8mo ago
    I'm sorry, but this comment looks like it's straight out of a podcast comments section of Joe Rogan or Asmongold. > The top issues were illegal immigration, prices, and the fact that the Democrats just couldn't answer the question "what is a woman?" even when being confirmed as supreme court justices. You didn't realize the whole subject of "what is a woman" was pretty much a "minor issue", blown out of proportion by MAGA, social networks, and podcasts? Like, how was that subject more important than January 6? Doesn't it bother you more that a former president (now president) tried to stop a vote count? It's insane what social media is doing to people. > If you look totally mad and self-destructive, you will eventually lose in America. Unless you're Gavin Newsom, perhaps. The fact that you lack the awareness of how mad and self-destructive this administration is, not just internally within the USA, but also the destruction of decades of soft power, is truly mind-blowing to me. If you think that the demands for rights of a fraction of a minority are "totally mad and self-destructive", but what's happening every week since the administration took over is normal, then I don't think we're operating in the same reality plane.
    - AlexeyBelov 8mo ago
      He doesn't realize. When stuff they are saying is debunked, they just stop replying and later repeat that same thing in another thread.
ergocoder 8mo ago
> the people rise up But people already rose up. That's why tech companies are adding surveillance everywhere. People want more surveillance. Have you talked to a rape victim or murder victim before? It would be extremely tone deaf to lecture them about how we should have less surveillance.
- subarctic 8mo ago
  Gotta go interview all the murder victims

libertine 8mo ago

What makes you think there are any chickens left? Because it looks like it's all foxes. This administration got elected because tech billionaires invested in it. They were right behind them, and I mean literally. Isn't it possible that this was all deliberately done by tech companies to get access to data and consolidate their position, and secure public funding?

voidhorse 8mo ago
This. Most of them weren't exactly bullied. Outside of having a military, several tech companies are probably more powerful than nation states at this point, and I think some of them realize this. As long as a complete slip into barbarism is still not fully on the table, nations need the data that tech companies have more or less entirely captured and established a complete hegemony around at this point. They also rely directly on their products. I guess the EU is starting to wake up to how problematic this is.
GiorgioG 8mo ago
Let's not pretend this started with this administration. I'm not pointing any fingers at any one party or politician, but this is nothing new: From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_(1970–2013) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure... 'By the late 1990s ECHELON was reportedly capable of monitoring up to 90% of all internet traffic. According to the BBC in May 2001, however, "The US Government still refused to admit that Echelon even exists."'
- bilbo0s 8mo ago
  This. You could also say that this is what the people have wanted for decades. Remember the PATRIOT Act? Voted in by a vote of 99 to 1 in the senate. (And the 1 who voted against it? Yeah, we got rid of him for a more "law and order" type guy.) What we're seeing is just the people getting more of what they're demanding. You get the government you deserve. And you deserve to get that government good and hard as often as possible.
  - j45 8mo ago
    After the shock of 9/11 and I believe it was only meant to be temporary
    - krapp 8mo ago
      Specific programs and laws be temporary - the PATRIOT act is mostly expired now - but the status quo established is meant to be permanent. It's called "shock doctrine" for a reason[0]. The current administration is trying the same thing by presenting "Chinese interference" and "illegal immigration" as being equally existential threats as 9/11. And some of the uglier implementations may be repealed, ICE may be "reformed," there may be "hearings" and "committees" and that may give the illusion of "returning to normal" but we will never go back to the reality of power before Trump any more than we can go back to the reality of power before 9/11. Absent revolution and civil war, it's simply impossible. [0]https://medium.com/@s-blog/a-history-of-disaster-capitalism-the-shock-doctrine-according-to-naomi-klein-732b29d84fff https://medium.com/@s-blog/a-history-of-disaster-capitalism-...
- libertine 8mo ago
  I don't think it started with this administration, but the normalization of corruption sure did.
  - littlecorner 8mo ago
    On the plus side, the current administration isn't obscuring the corruption like previous administrations, which is somewhat refreshing.
philipallstar 8mo ago
> This administration got elected because tech billionaires invested in it This is just not true. If one party sprints leftward and then points at the other party and calls them far right, eventually people notice. The top issues were illegal immigration, prices, and the fact that the Democrats just couldn't answer the question "what is a woman?" even when being confirmed as supreme court justices. If you look totally mad and self-destructive, you will eventually lose in America. Unless you're Gavin Newsom, perhaps.
- deleted 8mo ago
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- libertine 8mo ago
  I'm sorry, but this comment looks like it's straight out of a podcast comments section of Joe Rogan or Asmongold. > The top issues were illegal immigration, prices, and the fact that the Democrats just couldn't answer the question "what is a woman?" even when being confirmed as supreme court justices. You didn't realize the whole subject of "what is a woman" was pretty much a "minor issue", blown out of proportion by MAGA, social networks, and podcasts? Like, how was that subject more important than January 6? Doesn't it bother you more that a former president (now president) tried to stop a vote count? It's insane what social media is doing to people. > If you look totally mad and self-destructive, you will eventually lose in America. Unless you're Gavin Newsom, perhaps. The fact that you lack the awareness of how mad and self-destructive this administration is, not just internally within the USA, but also the destruction of decades of soft power, is truly mind-blowing to me. If you think that the demands for rights of a fraction of a minority are "totally mad and self-destructive", but what's happening every week since the administration took over is normal, then I don't think we're operating in the same reality plane.
  - AlexeyBelov 8mo ago
    He doesn't realize. When stuff they are saying is debunked, they just stop replying and later repeat that same thing in another thread.

ergocoder 8mo ago

> the people rise up But people already rose up. That's why tech companies are adding surveillance everywhere. People want more surveillance. Have you talked to a rape victim or murder victim before? It would be extremely tone deaf to lecture them about how we should have less surveillance.

subarctic 8mo ago
Gotta go interview all the murder victims