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This is the real question. Is she willing to pay $20 per month when Google's Gemini is free? Google can remain irrational longer than OAI can remain solvent.

smugma 8mo ago
I understand the underlying quote but not how/why it’s being used here. How is Google giving Gemini away for free to undercut OAI irrational? Anticompetitive, maybe.
- SecretDreams 8mo ago
  Agree. And we don't even know if they're bleeding out doing it. Google is on more efficient hardware and they fully control their ecosystem. And that ecosystem can feed into and be fed by their other ecosystems. OAI just has LLMs.
- fc417fc802 8mo ago
  Because the quote is irrational/solvent so you have to stick with those words. The similarity is a failed attempt to wait out a disadvantageous price regardless of the specific reason driving said price. Even in the context of the original quote the price is only "irrational" in the eyes of the person trying (and failing) to play the market. "But you can't do that, that doesn't make any sense!" spoken by a person who has failed to fully grasp the situation.
- svnt 8mo ago
  It is just Google’s business model, and why OpenAI has to do ads better faster. But you can bet there was more economic foresight going on at Google than OpenAI.
casualscience 8mo ago
Google's profits have been going up while 'giving away gemini for free', so I don't think they're 'being irrational', they're unit economics apparently work.
wiseowise 8mo ago
Me and my gf do. Gemini is an absolute garbage and I’m willing to die on that hill. - Atrocious mobile application - Gemini web somehow consumes GIGABYTES of memory doing absolutely NOTHING - No projects - UX is terrible (want to remove that a autogenerated diagram at the top? No button for you, fucker, good luck finding the conversation it belongs to) - No shopping mode - mobile application loses context mid conversation or when continuing from web/mobile - model itself is a hot garbage, even the pro variants: * Switches to Chinese mid sentence on a trivial topic (Python subprocessing) * Uses Russian propaganda videos as a source * Completely ignores instructions * Default prompt is garbage and you constantly have to hand hold it to get proper answers

smugma 8mo ago

I understand the underlying quote but not how/why it’s being used here. How is Google giving Gemini away for free to undercut OAI irrational? Anticompetitive, maybe.

SecretDreams 8mo ago
Agree. And we don't even know if they're bleeding out doing it. Google is on more efficient hardware and they fully control their ecosystem. And that ecosystem can feed into and be fed by their other ecosystems. OAI just has LLMs.
fc417fc802 8mo ago
Because the quote is irrational/solvent so you have to stick with those words. The similarity is a failed attempt to wait out a disadvantageous price regardless of the specific reason driving said price. Even in the context of the original quote the price is only "irrational" in the eyes of the person trying (and failing) to play the market. "But you can't do that, that doesn't make any sense!" spoken by a person who has failed to fully grasp the situation.
svnt 8mo ago
It is just Google’s business model, and why OpenAI has to do ads better faster. But you can bet there was more economic foresight going on at Google than OpenAI.

casualscience 8mo ago

Google's profits have been going up while 'giving away gemini for free', so I don't think they're 'being irrational', they're unit economics apparently work.

wiseowise 8mo ago

Me and my gf do. Gemini is an absolute garbage and I’m willing to die on that hill. - Atrocious mobile application - Gemini web somehow consumes GIGABYTES of memory doing absolutely NOTHING - No projects - UX is terrible (want to remove that a autogenerated diagram at the top? No button for you, fucker, good luck finding the conversation it belongs to) - No shopping mode - mobile application loses context mid conversation or when continuing from web/mobile - model itself is a hot garbage, even the pro variants: * Switches to Chinese mid sentence on a trivial topic (Python subprocessing) * Uses Russian propaganda videos as a source * Completely ignores instructions * Default prompt is garbage and you constantly have to hand hold it to get proper answers