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i am working on my side-product [1] where i was exploring a Rockchip which required external memory (just 1G) which went from $3 to $32 and completely destroyed
by asadm 8mo ago
i am working on my side-product [1] where i was exploring a Rockchip which required external memory (just 1G) which went from $3 to $32 and completely destroyed economics for me. I settled with one with embedded memory and optimizing my code instead :)
1. https://x.com/_asadmemon/status/1989417143398797424 https://x.com/_asadmemon/status/1989417143398797424
- tehlike 8mo agoI suspect game development will be similar - game companies will optimize their games given customer cards are not going to be released for a while or will be too expensive.
- energy123 8mo agoRAM usage is super easy to dial down, it's just texture quality.
- asadm 8mo agowin win, considering the slop game studios are pushing out these days.
- echelon 8mo agoI'm glad we're starting to use the term "slop" for human outputs as well. Especially corporate slop.
- fc417fc802 8mo agoAlways have been. The term "slop" long predates recent AI developments.
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- Retric 8mo agoIt’s not exactly new. Pig slop is generally random food scraps etc. Big brother used “slop” for their flavorless penalty food long before LLM’s. Arguably the connotation has changed slightly, but AI slop caught on because it fit so well.
- throw_rust 8mo agoIt was used to refer to human output to begin with, in certain corners of the internet.
- kibwen 8mo agoAll slop comes from humans. Some of that slop just happens to be humans operating LLMs.
- bsimpson 8mo agoI hope so. Resource usage has been on a hedonic treadmill at least since I came online in the 90s. Good things have come from that, of course, but there's also plenty of abstraction/waste that's permitted because "new computers can handle it." With so many gaming devices based on the AMD Z1 Extreme platform (and its custom Valve corollaries) over the past few years, it'll be great to see that be the target/baseline for a while. Brings access to more players and staves of e-waste for longer.
- dijit 8mo agoI'm not sure how we got on to games as resource hogs when Teams uses 2GiB of RAM and Windows itself uses 4GiB of RAM. I work in gamedev, so perhaps I'm a bit sensitive, and I understand that general purpose engines aren't as light on resources as the handcrafted ones that nobody can afford to make anymore... but we're not anywhere close to the layers of waste and abstraction that presents itself when using webtech for desktop apps by default.
- Ygg2 8mo agoA 10 FPS drop in grand strategy is imperceptible, but 10 FPS drop in an fast paced fighting game is controller-toss infuriating.
- cyanydeez 8mo agoStill, isn't part of the hedonic treadmill merely marketers dream of number goes up? If your software needs more specs, then surely it's doing more work and the hardware boys will gladly give you a monitor with more hz. So, the causal link is more: why would software makers need to optimize when it benefits them to pretend the user _needs_ more hardware. Especially in the games realm. Surely going from 60hz to 240hx refresh rate was a practical loss in benefits per hz halfway through. But it ate up hardware resources along the way.
- wmf 8mo agoVery few games target high specs to begin with.
- wlesieutre 8mo agoNot really new, Nvidia's GTX 1070 launched in 2016 with 8 GB of VRAM and they've been slow walking VRAM increases for the last decade. Today's RTX 5060 has 8 GB for basically the same price that the 1070 did. For $650 you can go up to 12 GB in the 5070, if you want 16 GB it's $1000 for the 5070 Ti, or hundreds more than that for the 5080. I know there's inflation and $380 in 2016 was more money than it is today, but if you'd asked me 10 years ago I would've bet on VRAM capacity doing better than "the same money is worth less but still gets you exactly same amount of memory 10 years from now." With prices going up, I half expect Nvidia to launch the RTX 6070 and tell everyone "It has 4 GB of memory and we think you're going to love it. $900." Or they'll just stop bothering with consumer GPUs entirely.
- bee_rider 8mo ago1060 6GB here. Figured the headroom would get me a couple extra years out of it. At this rate I’m wondering if the card is going to outlast the concept of owning graphics cards. Partly because, as you mention, maybe NVIDIA will stop selling them. Partly because, maybe APUs will get good enough…
- orthoxerox 8mo agoStrix Halo is already good enough. It's a premium product, though.
- bee_rider 8mo agoStrix Halo looks quite good. Hoping the stars will align, and my GPU will hold on long enough for the RAM famine to end and some Strix Halo successor to come out.
- wlesieutre 8mo agoAbout 3 years ago I got an RX 6750 XT with 12 GB of VRAM for $330 and I expect to be using that until either it dies or my computer's RAM dies and I don't have $10,000 to replace it. If only I'd maxed out all my DDR4 slots when DDR5 was the hot new thing and you could get it for cheap.
- pjerem 8mo agoGames are actually pretty well optimized nowadays. I mostly "game" on a 10 years old computer with a mid-range GPU I bought maybe 3 or 4 years ago and on a Steam Deck. I sometimes have to disable graphical options but it's more the exception than the rule. On a lot of games, I can even play in 4K. Of course as you can imagine, I don't game at 245 fps :D
- goodburb 8mo agoFor reference, Octopart is useful to track prices from many distributors, linked below [0] is a commonly used memory (1G) for Rockchip, Amlogic, Allwinner on many Radxa and Orange Pis. [0] https://octopart.com/part/nanya/NT6AN256T32AV-J2 https://octopart.com/part/nanya/NT6AN256T32AV-J2