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Are other states building all this manufacturing/semiconductor capacity? I think it's an overall USA thing, we just don't do manufacturing anymore because it's
by raziel2701 7mo ago
Are other states building all this manufacturing/semiconductor capacity? I think it's an overall USA thing, we just don't do manufacturing anymore because it's cheaper to do it in another country.
Not sure what the point of the website is. To me it looks like a bad faith argument. The secular trend in the US has been to increase margins by moving manufacturing to other countries.
The tariffs are certainly not making it easier to manufacture domestically.
- renjimen 7mo ago> Not sure what the point of the website is I think it's just informative. I found it interesting at least. I formed my own conclusions from it.
- mint5 7mo agoReally? Since it’s lacking any comparison to other states and because many of these complaints single out metropolitan areas comparison to nationwide census of metro areas, what actual conclusions are you drawing that are valid? Context matters a lot. We haven’t built a lot of mercury based hat felting shops lately in California. What conclusion do you draw from that?
- renjimen 7mo agoI assume you're being a little obtuse. The comparison to wherever manufacturers phones and EVs is implicit. They are manufactured somewhere with looser environmental regulation than California, where they are purchased en masse. You can draw your own conclusions from that.
- mint5 7mo agoI saw complaints that amounted to “it’s more expensive to build out large industrial facilities in bay area than in Reno” okay what’s different in Reno hmmm I could be like the website and try to imply it’s only environmental regulations… or I could acknowledge that land price and availability is drastically different and also labor costs…. But then that wouldn’t help my contrived argument that it’s all the pesky regulations. Again, without apples to apples comparisons to other areas, wha are you actually able to conclude from the website other than stoking confirmation bias?
- renjimen 7mo agoIt's providing a single geographic data point to you, for free. You're welcome to do your own research if you want a complete picture.
- jrflowers 7mo agoI like that your vague response to the question is either “this provides no value without context” or “the value it provides without context is a secret that only I know” but phrased in a silly way
- renjimen 7mo agoFair point. My actual conclusion: California has made it structurally impossible to manufacture things it consumes, and has exported the environmental burden to places with fewer protections.
- jrflowers 7mo agoYou have a good point. California is an area that makes some things but not all things. From this data we can conclude that California is an area on earth where there are people. This places California somewhere between the north pole (produces no things) and replicators from Star Trek (produces all of the things) in terms of productivity. This is useful information because it makes the reader feel li
- mint5 7mo agoNice, you’ve just described how confirmation bias works. Out of context, incomplete single data points that feels like one’s already held view is how confirmation bias works.
- renjimen 7mo agoAll data points can be called confirmation bias if you frame them that way. The question is whether the data is accurate, not whether it's complete. The site isn't claiming regulations are the only factor, just that they're sufficient to make things impossible regardless of other factors.