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> and most importantly don't care That's the depressing part in modern (western) society. The lack of curiosity is one thing, but it seems to spread to a overa

> and most importantly don't care That's the depressing part in modern (western) society. The lack of curiosity is one thing, but it seems to spread to a overall lack of care for anything these days. First it's lack of knowledge, then it's lack of care for fellow beings, then it's lack of care for the broken windows everywhere. Community breaks down in real time with the reaction of a shrug. >If a person doesn't know (except in the vaguest terms) where their water comes from, where their poo goes when they flush, where their food comes from (the supermarket!), or the energy that heats their home... what do they really know? What are our schools teaching us? I don't expect perfect domain knowledge, but I learned the bare basic supply chains in middle and high school. Food comes from trucks distributing from a factory that gets ingredients from farms and other types of food procurement. Water comes from pipes connected to the house connected to a grid filtered through government purification systems that is retrieved through ravines and dams (and then the water cycle comes in). Not knowing that much just feels odd.

davidguetta 8mo ago
The thing is you truly have a finite amount of fucks, also called time, to give in a day. Most people are too busy surviving or getting over some random heartbreak or issue at work to care about, or fighting for status. but you are right that curiosity should be promoted more in school
pibaker 8mo ago
> That's the depressing part in modern (western) society Do you think the average medieval farmer was questioning how everything around him worked while he worked day and night trying not to starve? Do you think today the average Japanese person knows more about water supply than the average American? This is such a weirdly romantic view about the past that I don't know where to even start. > Food comes from trucks distributing from a factory that gets ingredients from farms and other types of food procurement. This is like saying the internet is when two computer send 1s and 0s over copper wire. A technically correct description that lacks so much detail that it is practically useless.
- johnnyanmac 8mo ago
  >Do you think the average medieval farmer was questioning how everything around him worked while he worked day and night trying not to starve? I think the average medieval farmer understood how to harvest food and draw water, yes. This isn't as esoteric as using SSH in 2026. Knowing where your necessary resources come from should be basic knowledge. For a more modern context of why: I hope people don't simply rant about "why are groceries expensive" and simply believe that a single politician is the reason and that an upcoming politician will magically lower prices. A medieval farmer would not see their crops having low yields and ponder why there's less food. >This is like saying the internet is when two computer send 1s and 0s over copper wire. If they aren't specialized in computers, it'd be a start. Things are abstracted, so I'm expecting less knowledge of bits and assembly and more about landlines and isps. In short, if you use and pay for something everyday, you should understand who to hold accountable when it breaks, or suddenly gets more expensive. Knowing that one breadcrumb can start the trail for further thinking.
  - pibaker 8mo ago
    The medieval populace wouldn't blame food shortage on Joe Biden for sure. They would just blame the Jews instead. Or maybe they would take it as divine punishment. Who knows.
    - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
      They would understand the foot shortage came from bad crop yields or low trade. But sure from there they would blame the bad weather causing that on their respective religion's directive. Or some other group for lacking resources they desired.
- tstrimple 8mo ago
  > Do you think today the average Japanese person knows more about water supply than the average American? Probably yes. Our education systems and culture are so very different. Japan is far more structured and standardized. In the US, schools are a complete gamble unless you've got the means and motivation to explicitly move to an area with "good schools". Given the incredible number of adults who read below a sixth grade level, I'd fully expect the average US citizen to be less informed and less capable of informing themselves as the average Japanese citizen. This would translate into more Japanese citizens being familiar with things like water pressure.

davidguetta 8mo ago

The thing is you truly have a finite amount of fucks, also called time, to give in a day. Most people are too busy surviving or getting over some random heartbreak or issue at work to care about, or fighting for status. but you are right that curiosity should be promoted more in school

pibaker 8mo ago

> That's the depressing part in modern (western) society Do you think the average medieval farmer was questioning how everything around him worked while he worked day and night trying not to starve? Do you think today the average Japanese person knows more about water supply than the average American? This is such a weirdly romantic view about the past that I don't know where to even start. > Food comes from trucks distributing from a factory that gets ingredients from farms and other types of food procurement. This is like saying the internet is when two computer send 1s and 0s over copper wire. A technically correct description that lacks so much detail that it is practically useless.

johnnyanmac 8mo ago
>Do you think the average medieval farmer was questioning how everything around him worked while he worked day and night trying not to starve? I think the average medieval farmer understood how to harvest food and draw water, yes. This isn't as esoteric as using SSH in 2026. Knowing where your necessary resources come from should be basic knowledge. For a more modern context of why: I hope people don't simply rant about "why are groceries expensive" and simply believe that a single politician is the reason and that an upcoming politician will magically lower prices. A medieval farmer would not see their crops having low yields and ponder why there's less food. >This is like saying the internet is when two computer send 1s and 0s over copper wire. If they aren't specialized in computers, it'd be a start. Things are abstracted, so I'm expecting less knowledge of bits and assembly and more about landlines and isps. In short, if you use and pay for something everyday, you should understand who to hold accountable when it breaks, or suddenly gets more expensive. Knowing that one breadcrumb can start the trail for further thinking.
- pibaker 8mo ago
  The medieval populace wouldn't blame food shortage on Joe Biden for sure. They would just blame the Jews instead. Or maybe they would take it as divine punishment. Who knows.
  - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
    They would understand the foot shortage came from bad crop yields or low trade. But sure from there they would blame the bad weather causing that on their respective religion's directive. Or some other group for lacking resources they desired.
tstrimple 8mo ago
> Do you think today the average Japanese person knows more about water supply than the average American? Probably yes. Our education systems and culture are so very different. Japan is far more structured and standardized. In the US, schools are a complete gamble unless you've got the means and motivation to explicitly move to an area with "good schools". Given the incredible number of adults who read below a sixth grade level, I'd fully expect the average US citizen to be less informed and less capable of informing themselves as the average Japanese citizen. This would translate into more Japanese citizens being familiar with things like water pressure.