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And he pays his taxes, outlined by said government. If there is a failure to deliver on the goods/services promised by the government, it's not his responsibili

And he pays his taxes, outlined by said government. If there is a failure to deliver on the goods/services promised by the government, it's not his responsibility to make up for the shortfalls. It'd be nice if he did, but that's getting ahead of ourselves.

wpietri 14y ago
Government does not promise to magically take care of everything. And even if they did, the citizens run the government. Any shortfalls in government are ultimately the responsibility of the citizens.
- icelancer 14y ago
  You're going to have to point out the contract with my signature on it where I agreed to that. My attorney is gonna hear about it...
  - wpietri 14y ago
    It's not a legal requirement. It's a moral requirement. It's your country, your state, your city. It's your government. You are legally allowed to shirk some of your duties, although not all of them, but that doesn't make you less of a shirker.. Parenting is similar: there are a lot of ways to be a shitty parent that don't rise to the legal level of neglect.
    - icelancer 14y ago
      Whose morals? Kant's Duty Ethics? You are making subjective judgments. This is fine. But don't confuse your opinions on "fairness" with an objective reality.
      - wpietri 14y ago
        It's the nature of a community, of a democracy. The citizens, as sovereigns, are ultimately responsible. Don't like it? You can shirk your responsibility and accept your helping of shame. Or you can move to someplace that isn't a democracy.
        cheez 14y ago
        Or you can opt out of the portions you don't like.
        icelancer 14y ago
        >You can shirk your responsibility and accept your helping of shame. I will. I don't lose sleep at night based on your subjective opinions, fortunately.
        wpietri 14y ago
        "Of, by, and for the people" is not subjective. Neither is the people replacing the sovereign. Nor the nature of a community as a collaborative enterprise.

wpietri 14y ago

Government does not promise to magically take care of everything. And even if they did, the citizens run the government. Any shortfalls in government are ultimately the responsibility of the citizens.

icelancer 14y ago
You're going to have to point out the contract with my signature on it where I agreed to that. My attorney is gonna hear about it...
- wpietri 14y ago
  It's not a legal requirement. It's a moral requirement. It's your country, your state, your city. It's your government. You are legally allowed to shirk some of your duties, although not all of them, but that doesn't make you less of a shirker.. Parenting is similar: there are a lot of ways to be a shitty parent that don't rise to the legal level of neglect.
  - icelancer 14y ago
    Whose morals? Kant's Duty Ethics? You are making subjective judgments. This is fine. But don't confuse your opinions on "fairness" with an objective reality.
    - wpietri 14y ago
      It's the nature of a community, of a democracy. The citizens, as sovereigns, are ultimately responsible. Don't like it? You can shirk your responsibility and accept your helping of shame. Or you can move to someplace that isn't a democracy.
      - cheez 14y ago
        Or you can opt out of the portions you don't like.
      - icelancer 14y ago
        >You can shirk your responsibility and accept your helping of shame. I will. I don't lose sleep at night based on your subjective opinions, fortunately.
        wpietri 14y ago
        "Of, by, and for the people" is not subjective. Neither is the people replacing the sovereign. Nor the nature of a community as a collaborative enterprise.