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Exactly my experience, I know they vibe code features and that’s fine but it looks like they don’t do proper testing which is surprising to me because all you n

Exactly my experience, I know they vibe code features and that’s fine but it looks like they don’t do proper testing which is surprising to me because all you need bunch of cheap interns to some decent enough testing

debarshri 8mo ago
Thats not true. Even for testing things, you need to do thoroughly now because standards are high.
- jen20 8mo ago
  From where I'm viewing, the standards in software have never been lower.
- abustamam 8mo ago
  I don't think you need any qualifications to run the app and realize that it doesn't run. This is the bar we're at now.
djtriptych 8mo ago
No there is a wide gap between good and bad testers. Great testers are worth their weight in gold and delight in ruining programmer's days all day long. IMO not a good place to skimp and a GREAT place to spend for talent.
- throwup238 8mo ago
  > Great testers are worth their weight in gold and delight in ruining programmer's days all day long. Site note: all the great testers I've know when my employers had separate QA departments all ended up becoming programmers, either by studying on the side or through in-house mentorship. By all second hand accounts they've become great programmers too.
- mkreis 8mo ago
  So true. My first job was in QA. Involuntarily, because I applied for a dev role, but they only had an opening for QA. I took the job because of the shiny company name on my resume. Totally changed my perspective of quality and finding issues. Even though I liked the job, it has some negative vibes because you are always the guy bringing bad news / critizing others peoples work (more or less). Also some developers couldn't react professionally to me finding bugs in their code. One dev team lead called me "person non grata" when coming over to their desk. I took it with pride. Eventually I transitioned to develoment because I did not see any career path or me in QA (team lead positions were filled with people doing the job for 20+ years).
otabdeveloper4 8mo ago
> all you need bunch of cheap interns to some decent enough testing Sounds like a problem AI can easily solve!
cube00 8mo ago
> they don’t do proper testing They bring down production because the version string was changed incorrectly to add an extra date. That would have been picked up in even the most basic testing since the app couldn't even start. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46532075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46532075 The fix (not even a PR or commit message to explain) https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/commit/63eefe157ac237c1e9a159d3cd98cd682ea6b9de https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/commit/63eefe157ac... No root cause analysis either https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/16682#issuecomment-3721496554 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/16682#issue...

debarshri 8mo ago

Thats not true. Even for testing things, you need to do thoroughly now because standards are high.

jen20 8mo ago
From where I'm viewing, the standards in software have never been lower.
abustamam 8mo ago
I don't think you need any qualifications to run the app and realize that it doesn't run. This is the bar we're at now.

djtriptych 8mo ago

No there is a wide gap between good and bad testers. Great testers are worth their weight in gold and delight in ruining programmer's days all day long. IMO not a good place to skimp and a GREAT place to spend for talent.

throwup238 8mo ago
> Great testers are worth their weight in gold and delight in ruining programmer's days all day long. Site note: all the great testers I've know when my employers had separate QA departments all ended up becoming programmers, either by studying on the side or through in-house mentorship. By all second hand accounts they've become great programmers too.
mkreis 8mo ago
So true. My first job was in QA. Involuntarily, because I applied for a dev role, but they only had an opening for QA. I took the job because of the shiny company name on my resume. Totally changed my perspective of quality and finding issues. Even though I liked the job, it has some negative vibes because you are always the guy bringing bad news / critizing others peoples work (more or less). Also some developers couldn't react professionally to me finding bugs in their code. One dev team lead called me "person non grata" when coming over to their desk. I took it with pride. Eventually I transitioned to develoment because I did not see any career path or me in QA (team lead positions were filled with people doing the job for 20+ years).

otabdeveloper4 8mo ago

> all you need bunch of cheap interns to some decent enough testing Sounds like a problem AI can easily solve!

cube00 8mo ago

> they don’t do proper testing They bring down production because the version string was changed incorrectly to add an extra date. That would have been picked up in even the most basic testing since the app couldn't even start. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46532075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46532075 The fix (not even a PR or commit message to explain) https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/commit/63eefe157ac237c1e9a159d3cd98cd682ea6b9de https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/commit/63eefe157ac... No root cause analysis either https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/16682#issuecomment-3721496554 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/16682#issue...