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I am a native Japanese Original Kanji - hiragana works: おほけなき床の錦や散り紅葉 How it sounds: Oh ke naki Yukano nishikiya chiri ko yo

by tl2do 7mo ago

darkerside 7mo ago
Oh ho ke na ki?
- tl2do 7mo ago
  It is modern Japanese pronunciation. In classical literature, おほ is pronounced as a prolonged "o" (an elongated /oː/ sound).
  - HK-NC 7mo ago
    Does that apply to longer vowels with the same(ish) sound, as in 因果応報?
    - tl2do 7mo ago
      Yes, and no. 報 . this is contemporary word. it pronounces "ho-o", not "ho", not "o-o", not "o". Someone read "bo-o".
buntsai 7mo ago
In which case the "crimson carpet" appears to be the loose invention of the translator. The original just says "brocade" or I guess, "quilt", implying some sort of silk bed cover?
- tl2do 7mo ago
  Try an image search with 紅葉落葉. The result will be the typical image a Japanese person imagines when hearing 散り紅葉. Then try the same search with "crimson carpet." From the standpoint of literary and artistic sensibility, the difference is not small.
  - nekooooo 7mo ago
    my imagination when reading 散り紅葉 is an enka song lol
    - tl2do 7mo ago
      You hit the point. Image from enka will be nearly identical to ones from poem.
mncharity 7mo ago
>> I really wish they'd cite the original Japanese. Given the Japanese above, translate.google can do text to speech[1], and goog AIMode[3] and bing/chat[2][4] can give multiple translations with notes. But finding that Japanese, given only the TFA's description? I only saw AIMode manage that, not vanilla search. Perhaps using the author's Japanese wikipedia page[5], or perhaps here, or? [1] https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=%E3%81%8A%E3%81%BB%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%8D%E5%BA%8A%E3%81%AE%E9%8C%A6%E3%82%84%E6%95%A3%E3%82%8A%E7%B4%85%E8%91%89&op=translate https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=%E3%81%8A%E... [2] https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/JcJSRgDDvT84M16x7RJDb https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/JcJSRgDDvT84M16x7RJDb [3] https://share.google/aimode/FNEXZGRPFPANlvNwd https://share.google/aimode/FNEXZGRPFPANlvNwd [4] https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/wjaWnGHNpGs18X4M6CJV6 https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/wjaWnGHNpGs18X4M6CJV6 [5] https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%99%9A%E7%99%BD https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%99%9A%E7%99%BD

I am a native Japanese Original Kanji - hiragana works: おほけなき床の錦や散り紅葉 How it sounds: Oh ke naki Yukano nishikiya chiri ko yo

by tl2do 7mo ago

I am a native Japanese Original Kanji - hiragana works: おほけなき床の錦や散り紅葉 How it sounds: Oh ke naki Yukano nishikiya chiri ko yo

darkerside 7mo ago

Oh ho ke na ki?

tl2do 7mo ago
It is modern Japanese pronunciation. In classical literature, おほ is pronounced as a prolonged "o" (an elongated /oː/ sound).
- HK-NC 7mo ago
  Does that apply to longer vowels with the same(ish) sound, as in 因果応報?
  - tl2do 7mo ago
    Yes, and no. 報 . this is contemporary word. it pronounces "ho-o", not "ho", not "o-o", not "o". Someone read "bo-o".

buntsai 7mo ago

In which case the "crimson carpet" appears to be the loose invention of the translator. The original just says "brocade" or I guess, "quilt", implying some sort of silk bed cover?

tl2do 7mo ago
Try an image search with 紅葉落葉. The result will be the typical image a Japanese person imagines when hearing 散り紅葉. Then try the same search with "crimson carpet." From the standpoint of literary and artistic sensibility, the difference is not small.
- nekooooo 7mo ago
  my imagination when reading 散り紅葉 is an enka song lol
  - tl2do 7mo ago
    You hit the point. Image from enka will be nearly identical to ones from poem.

mncharity 7mo ago

>> I really wish they'd cite the original Japanese. Given the Japanese above, translate.google can do text to speech[1], and goog AIMode[3] and bing/chat[2][4] can give multiple translations with notes. But finding that Japanese, given only the TFA's description? I only saw AIMode manage that, not vanilla search. Perhaps using the author's Japanese wikipedia page[5], or perhaps here, or? [1] https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=%E3%81%8A%E3%81%BB%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%8D%E5%BA%8A%E3%81%AE%E9%8C%A6%E3%82%84%E6%95%A3%E3%82%8A%E7%B4%85%E8%91%89&op=translate https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=%E3%81%8A%E... [2] https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/JcJSRgDDvT84M16x7RJDb https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/JcJSRgDDvT84M16x7RJDb [3] https://share.google/aimode/FNEXZGRPFPANlvNwd https://share.google/aimode/FNEXZGRPFPANlvNwd [4] https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/wjaWnGHNpGs18X4M6CJV6 https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/wjaWnGHNpGs18X4M6CJV6 [5] https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%99%9A%E7%99%BD https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%99%9A%E7%99%BD