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This is good feedback. We don’t want caps and throttling to be a blocker for signing up and using us. Since we’re at a premium price point we should economicall

This is good feedback. We don’t want caps and throttling to be a blocker for signing up and using us. Since we’re at a premium price point we should economically be able to be a lot more generous than existing carriers.

chirau 7mo ago
I would like to try Cape. How do guys deal with IMEI tracking from folks like Google when i search or use their email? Or that one is beyond your control?
- throawayonthe 7mo ago
  Can you elaborate?
- ThePowerOfFuet 7mo ago
  What makes you think Google has access to your IMEI through using their search engine?
  - bdangubic 7mo ago
    Friends at Google :)
    - ThePowerOfFuet 7mo ago
      Chrome may well have access to persistent identifiers on Android, but websites do not. The search engine has nothing to do with it.
      - alek-cape 7mo ago
        I thought access to IMEI and IMSI was pretty heavily restricted starting with Android 10. Graphene [1] makes a few extra restrictions beyond AOSP [2], but it's been around for a while now. To get access to IMEI and IMSI, you need to either be a carrier app, allowlisted, or grant the `READ_PRIVILEGED_PHONE_STATE` permission. Unless Chrome is running at a system level in AOSP or some OEM specific firmware, I wouldn't expect it to have `READ_PRIVILEGED_PHONE_STATE` [1] - https://grapheneos.org/faq#hardware-identifiers https://grapheneos.org/faq#hardware-identifiers [2] - https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/device-identifiers https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/device-identifi...
bombcar 7mo ago
Charge $5 more for everyone, and then rebate $5 against your next bill if you don't go over X GB or whatever. It ends up being the same as charging $5 if you go over, but it'll feel much more premium.
- quietsegfault 7mo ago
  This is what my carrier does for me, except the limit is like 2GB or something.
altairprime 7mo ago
Yeah. As a olde ex-carrier type person, I want burst mode unlimited, I expressly do not want continuous saturated unlimited, if that makes any sense. So if you tune the service to warn me “you’ve used 10% of your cap in five minutes so we’ve slowed your service down temporarily, respond with YES if this is intentional and we should speed it back up, otherwise it’ll reset in the morning”, that would be an example of best in category service that’s on my side rather than the carrier’s overage fees profit line item. I don’t mind that you have caps, I consider caps to be a marketable form of 90th percentile billing to consumers, so please don’t take this as “remove all caps” — but definitely find an in-between that’s more nuanced than “you reach arbitrary threshold 50G at 1gbps 5G and so it only took 8 minutes and 40% battery, too bad so sad now your entire month of data is at DSL speeds”. (This sarcastic tone is not a critique of you! but of the general carrier practices that leave me worried about you.) In a dream world my usage percentile for the past 30 days would be inversely proportional to my bandwidth speed so that momentary usage to download a software update had no meaningful impact, but running nonstop continuous data for four hours straight caused a measurable drop in bandwidth (which protects my battery and the network health). It’s not fiber-optic or fixed-installation wireless and I do respect the shared base antenna capacity problems!
quietsegfault 7mo ago
I don’t think keeping the status quo of throttling caps will stop anyone from signing up. As long as it’s not any worse, I don’t think it would deter me due to the other features you offer. The main reason why I don’t change is my spouse and kids don’t care about privacy and I can get them service for cheaper! I don’t really think about caps all that much except in theory. I would love speed tests to be excepted from caps, but I get why that isn’t always workable.

chirau 7mo ago

I would like to try Cape. How do guys deal with IMEI tracking from folks like Google when i search or use their email? Or that one is beyond your control?

throawayonthe 7mo ago
Can you elaborate?
ThePowerOfFuet 7mo ago
What makes you think Google has access to your IMEI through using their search engine?
- bdangubic 7mo ago
  Friends at Google :)
  - ThePowerOfFuet 7mo ago
    Chrome may well have access to persistent identifiers on Android, but websites do not. The search engine has nothing to do with it.
    - alek-cape 7mo ago
      I thought access to IMEI and IMSI was pretty heavily restricted starting with Android 10. Graphene [1] makes a few extra restrictions beyond AOSP [2], but it's been around for a while now. To get access to IMEI and IMSI, you need to either be a carrier app, allowlisted, or grant the `READ_PRIVILEGED_PHONE_STATE` permission. Unless Chrome is running at a system level in AOSP or some OEM specific firmware, I wouldn't expect it to have `READ_PRIVILEGED_PHONE_STATE` [1] - https://grapheneos.org/faq#hardware-identifiers https://grapheneos.org/faq#hardware-identifiers [2] - https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/device-identifiers https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/device-identifi...

bombcar 7mo ago

Charge $5 more for everyone, and then rebate $5 against your next bill if you don't go over X GB or whatever. It ends up being the same as charging $5 if you go over, but it'll feel much more premium.

quietsegfault 7mo ago
This is what my carrier does for me, except the limit is like 2GB or something.

altairprime 7mo ago

Yeah. As a olde ex-carrier type person, I want burst mode unlimited, I expressly do not want continuous saturated unlimited, if that makes any sense. So if you tune the service to warn me “you’ve used 10% of your cap in five minutes so we’ve slowed your service down temporarily, respond with YES if this is intentional and we should speed it back up, otherwise it’ll reset in the morning”, that would be an example of best in category service that’s on my side rather than the carrier’s overage fees profit line item. I don’t mind that you have caps, I consider caps to be a marketable form of 90th percentile billing to consumers, so please don’t take this as “remove all caps” — but definitely find an in-between that’s more nuanced than “you reach arbitrary threshold 50G at 1gbps 5G and so it only took 8 minutes and 40% battery, too bad so sad now your entire month of data is at DSL speeds”. (This sarcastic tone is not a critique of you! but of the general carrier practices that leave me worried about you.) In a dream world my usage percentile for the past 30 days would be inversely proportional to my bandwidth speed so that momentary usage to download a software update had no meaningful impact, but running nonstop continuous data for four hours straight caused a measurable drop in bandwidth (which protects my battery and the network health). It’s not fiber-optic or fixed-installation wireless and I do respect the shared base antenna capacity problems!

quietsegfault 7mo ago

I don’t think keeping the status quo of throttling caps will stop anyone from signing up. As long as it’s not any worse, I don’t think it would deter me due to the other features you offer. The main reason why I don’t change is my spouse and kids don’t care about privacy and I can get them service for cheaper! I don’t really think about caps all that much except in theory. I would love speed tests to be excepted from caps, but I get why that isn’t always workable.