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How could any European govt use MS after Trump ordered MS to sanction an ICC prosecutor and MS complied? I imagine they're all trying to walk away

abc123abc123 7mo ago
Easy. Intertia and incompetence. Government is full of paper pushers who hav eno higher wish but to live comfortably on tax payers money until they retire. The key to survival is to do what everyone else is doing, and not to be the first to try anything new. The good thing is, as soon as someone tries anything new, and it looks like it is a success, the paper pushers will join in as soon as they think it is safe, and try to steal the fame and glory. This is just how the government and the public sector works.
- kachnuv_ocasek 7mo ago
  This is not in any way specific to the government or public institution. Many (perhaps most) private companies work the same way.
  - q3k 7mo ago
    Yeah, anyone who says 'the government should be ran like a company' has likely never worked in a large corporation. It's full of meaningless work, bullshit jobs and red tape.
- Frieren 7mo ago
  > Government is full of paper pushers who hav eno higher wish but to live comfortably on tax payers money until they retire. Even billionaires are into getting as much tax payer money as possible. But they get the big numbers. Report Says Elon Musk's Businesses Have Been Awarded $38 Billion In Government Contracts Since 2003: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-says-elon-musks-businesses-150042117.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-says-elon-musks-busine...
- olav 7mo ago
  Plus, fulfillment of wishes to users as opposed to IT architecture management. Users have been brainwashed to demand certain brands. When you combine this with an IT Management that lacks mid-term risk management or a vision, you get happy users and an IT landscape easily taken hostage by single vendors.
- CoastalCoder 7mo ago
  > This is just how the government and the public sector works. I work in the public sector, and that isn't remotely my experience. Could you roughly quantify what faction of public sector workers you believe operate that way, and how you arrived at that belief?
seu 7mo ago
Not exactly governments, but I work with NGOs in Germany, and plenty of them use Teams and other MS products, just because they receive them for free and don't have the budget to pay someone to install open source alternatives. Training is especially costly and in these environments people are not really "digital native". It's not even about age, but about culture: people here will do what they are trained to do and fear doing something they don't know, because they might "do something wrong". I was responsible for a platform that gives free online storage, chat functions and videocalls (BBB) for NGOs, and had to hear these arguments over and over when discussing migrations. So unless there is a political drive, together with good trainings and support, the transition is very very difficult.
pjmlp 7mo ago
The big problem, and I say this as someone that appreciates some of the Microsoft technologies, is that it is always first and foremost about Office, and nothing else. Forgotten are Windows, XBox, DirectX, VC++, C#, F#, TypeScript, Github, VSCode, Azure, Teams, SQL Server, SharePoint, Dynamics,.... Ah but some of those are FOSS, they are, pity that most money and project steering only flows from one place. Repeat the same listing exercise for every US big tech company and their influence on the computing industry at large, and possible geopolitcs, that is how we end up with HarmonyOS NEXT with ArkTS.
- ndsipa_pomu 7mo ago
  > Forgotten are Windows, XBox, DirectX, VC++, C#, F#, TypeScript, Github, VSCode, Azure, Teams, SQL Server, SharePoint, Dynamics,.... Ah but some of those are FOSS Which of those are FOSS?
  - pjmlp 7mo ago
    C#, F#, TypeScript, VSCode, under the business friendly OSI approved licenses, MIT and Apache.
hrmtst93837 7mo ago
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tick_tock_tick 7mo ago
Europe still buys Russian gas and just signed a trade deal with India to whitewash it buying of Russian gas after they "stop".

abc123abc123 7mo ago

Easy. Intertia and incompetence. Government is full of paper pushers who hav eno higher wish but to live comfortably on tax payers money until they retire. The key to survival is to do what everyone else is doing, and not to be the first to try anything new. The good thing is, as soon as someone tries anything new, and it looks like it is a success, the paper pushers will join in as soon as they think it is safe, and try to steal the fame and glory. This is just how the government and the public sector works.

kachnuv_ocasek 7mo ago
This is not in any way specific to the government or public institution. Many (perhaps most) private companies work the same way.
- q3k 7mo ago
  Yeah, anyone who says 'the government should be ran like a company' has likely never worked in a large corporation. It's full of meaningless work, bullshit jobs and red tape.
Frieren 7mo ago
> Government is full of paper pushers who hav eno higher wish but to live comfortably on tax payers money until they retire. Even billionaires are into getting as much tax payer money as possible. But they get the big numbers. Report Says Elon Musk's Businesses Have Been Awarded $38 Billion In Government Contracts Since 2003: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-says-elon-musks-businesses-150042117.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-says-elon-musks-busine...
olav 7mo ago
Plus, fulfillment of wishes to users as opposed to IT architecture management. Users have been brainwashed to demand certain brands. When you combine this with an IT Management that lacks mid-term risk management or a vision, you get happy users and an IT landscape easily taken hostage by single vendors.
CoastalCoder 7mo ago
> This is just how the government and the public sector works. I work in the public sector, and that isn't remotely my experience. Could you roughly quantify what faction of public sector workers you believe operate that way, and how you arrived at that belief?

seu 7mo ago

Not exactly governments, but I work with NGOs in Germany, and plenty of them use Teams and other MS products, just because they receive them for free and don't have the budget to pay someone to install open source alternatives. Training is especially costly and in these environments people are not really "digital native". It's not even about age, but about culture: people here will do what they are trained to do and fear doing something they don't know, because they might "do something wrong". I was responsible for a platform that gives free online storage, chat functions and videocalls (BBB) for NGOs, and had to hear these arguments over and over when discussing migrations. So unless there is a political drive, together with good trainings and support, the transition is very very difficult.

pjmlp 7mo ago

The big problem, and I say this as someone that appreciates some of the Microsoft technologies, is that it is always first and foremost about Office, and nothing else. Forgotten are Windows, XBox, DirectX, VC++, C#, F#, TypeScript, Github, VSCode, Azure, Teams, SQL Server, SharePoint, Dynamics,.... Ah but some of those are FOSS, they are, pity that most money and project steering only flows from one place. Repeat the same listing exercise for every US big tech company and their influence on the computing industry at large, and possible geopolitcs, that is how we end up with HarmonyOS NEXT with ArkTS.

ndsipa_pomu 7mo ago
> Forgotten are Windows, XBox, DirectX, VC++, C#, F#, TypeScript, Github, VSCode, Azure, Teams, SQL Server, SharePoint, Dynamics,.... Ah but some of those are FOSS Which of those are FOSS?
- pjmlp 7mo ago
  C#, F#, TypeScript, VSCode, under the business friendly OSI approved licenses, MIT and Apache.

hrmtst93837 7mo ago

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tick_tock_tick 7mo ago

Europe still buys Russian gas and just signed a trade deal with India to whitewash it buying of Russian gas after they "stop".