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Butterick says you should never, ever justify text without hyphenation https://practicaltypography.com/justified-text.html https://practicaltypography.com/just

Butterick says you should never, ever justify text without hyphenation https://practicaltypography.com/justified-text.html https://practicaltypography.com/justified-text.html

albert_e 8mo ago
Thanks for that link! There is a bit more ... justification (pun intended) on that page for this recommendation to turn-on hypenation; and also some valuable advice on choosing spacing between words over spacing between letters.
doesnt_know 8mo ago
What is an example of a "high-end page-layout program" referenced in that document? I mean, of course I assume they exist for professional type setting, book publishing and such, but I have never seen or heard of the actual software.
- syradar 8mo ago
  We used Adobe InDesign at my last work, which I believe is an industry standard. Affinity Layout if you don’t want to sell your kidney to Adobe. Scribus is an open source project but I’m not sure how the quality is in that.
  - gdwatson 8mo ago
    > Scribus is an open source project but I’m not sure how the quality is in that. I am not a typographer, and I’ve never used it in a professional capacity, but v1.6 (early 2024) improved Scribus a lot. I’ve used it and liked it for some personal projects for years, but the improved typography in 1.6 is big.
- lwhsiao 8mo ago
  LaTeX or Typst are also good examples.
- omnimus 8mo ago
  There is only Adobe InDesign. Even though you can make high quality layouts in other programs (Affinity, Scribus) once you get to actually printing in pro printer the whole pipeline is InDesign. It's Adobes secret money printer, software that many don't realize it rivals Photoshop in usage.
  - lfauve 7mo ago
    No, the pro pipeline is PDF. You might argue that, if you are risk averse, you only trust Adobe’s tools to produce optimal PDF. This is of course Adobe’s moat. But Scribus’ export to pdf is excellent, in a pro setting
    - omnimus 7mo ago
      Thats not what I am talking about. Your PDF might be identical but printers often require either their specific InDesign settings or straight up packaged InDesign project as source for printing (they used to require postscript lol). I am not gonna argue if they are correct or not but the reality i've experienced is that at minimum socially the printing industry is married to InDesign.

Butterick says you should never, ever justify text without hyphenation https://practicaltypography.com/justified-text.html https://practicaltypography.com/justified-text.html

albert_e 8mo ago

Thanks for that link! There is a bit more ... justification (pun intended) on that page for this recommendation to turn-on hypenation; and also some valuable advice on choosing spacing between words over spacing between letters.

doesnt_know 8mo ago

What is an example of a "high-end page-layout program" referenced in that document? I mean, of course I assume they exist for professional type setting, book publishing and such, but I have never seen or heard of the actual software.

syradar 8mo ago
We used Adobe InDesign at my last work, which I believe is an industry standard. Affinity Layout if you don’t want to sell your kidney to Adobe. Scribus is an open source project but I’m not sure how the quality is in that.
- gdwatson 8mo ago
  > Scribus is an open source project but I’m not sure how the quality is in that. I am not a typographer, and I’ve never used it in a professional capacity, but v1.6 (early 2024) improved Scribus a lot. I’ve used it and liked it for some personal projects for years, but the improved typography in 1.6 is big.
lwhsiao 8mo ago
LaTeX or Typst are also good examples.
omnimus 8mo ago
There is only Adobe InDesign. Even though you can make high quality layouts in other programs (Affinity, Scribus) once you get to actually printing in pro printer the whole pipeline is InDesign. It's Adobes secret money printer, software that many don't realize it rivals Photoshop in usage.
- lfauve 7mo ago
  No, the pro pipeline is PDF. You might argue that, if you are risk averse, you only trust Adobe’s tools to produce optimal PDF. This is of course Adobe’s moat. But Scribus’ export to pdf is excellent, in a pro setting
  - omnimus 7mo ago
    Thats not what I am talking about. Your PDF might be identical but printers often require either their specific InDesign settings or straight up packaged InDesign project as source for printing (they used to require postscript lol). I am not gonna argue if they are correct or not but the reality i've experienced is that at minimum socially the printing industry is married to InDesign.