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You think Germans have some genetic predilection to genocide? That they were uniquely vulnerable to authoritarianism? The Nazis were evil. But all people have

You think Germans have some genetic predilection to genocide? That they were uniquely vulnerable to authoritarianism? The Nazis were evil. But all people have the capacity for it.

magic_hamster 9mo ago
You're detracting. You made a comparison between Israel and the nazis, which is wrong, and is extremely far reached. Answering with "all people have the capacity for evil" is once again a subtle misdirection which seems like a recurring theme in your comments. This wasn't what you implied. Put simply, Israel and nazis are night and day, you are villifying a country and its people with extreme and factually wrong accusations.
- ignoramous 9mo ago
  > Israel and nazis are night and day Depends on who you ask. People are allowed to see similarities, like Lebensraum & Occupation, as two examples. They don't need anyone's certification or permission. And intimidation, I believe, has stopped working. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and... I mean, "Judeo-Nazi" was a term coined by an Israeli polymath Yeshayahu Leibowitz & has been part of the Revisionist discourse for quite some time; ex: Better a Living Judeo-Nazi Than a Dead Saint (1983), https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162 / https://archive.vn/uX42N https://archive.vn/uX42N
  - throwaway3060 9mo ago
    You would be wrong. This happens to have been a propaganda campaign invented decades earlier in the Soviet Union. In fact, it is quite stunning how similar all this is to the modern propaganda Russia uses.
    - ignoramous 9mo ago
      > You would be wrong Well, looks like Leibowitz did not coin the term (much to his chagrin perhaps?), but I guess he was one of the more prominent Israelis to never apologize for using it. May be Leibowitz spoke truth to power; may be he was a Soviet asset. > quite stunning how similar all this is Hm. Michael S: Aren't you exaggerating when you use the term "Judeo- Nazi?" Do you truly believe that we are liable to decline to the level of the Nazis? Yeshayahu L: When the nation (or in Nazi terminology, the race) and the power of its state become supreme values, human action is no longer inhibited. This mentality is also widespread among us. In the territories under our occupation in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and Lebanon, we are already behaving as the Nazis behaved in the territories under their occupation in Czechoslovakia and the west. https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=jud-001%3A2018%3A74%3A%3A270 https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=jud-001%3A2018%3A...
      - throwaway3060 9mo ago
        I thought for a bit whether I should reply to this or not. But I noticed one point in here I felt obligated to correct. If your idea of the Nazis is their occupation in the west, then you are missing most of the picture. Their atrocities in the east are far beyond anything that has ever taken place on this Earth before or since. There is no comparison whatsoever.
        ignoramous 9mo ago
        > I noticed one point in here I felt obligated to correct ... If your idea of the Nazis is their occupation in the west, then you are missing most of the picture ... You'd be correcting Mr. Leibowitz, not me. > no comparison whatsoever It is not up for debate that there isn't any comparison to be made. That said, we can choose to live in our bubbles, yeah; but on the flip side, interactions with the outside world might come as a rude shock.
        throwaway3060 9mo ago
        Are you trying to imply there is a comparison between Gaza and Leningrad? Where a number equal to the entire modern population of Gaza perished? Something is very wrong with education on WW2 if anyone thinks this is a reasonable thing to say. A bubble, I suppose.

You think Germans have some genetic predilection to genocide? That they were uniquely vulnerable to authoritarianism? The Nazis were evil. But all people have the capacity for it.

magic_hamster 9mo ago

You're detracting. You made a comparison between Israel and the nazis, which is wrong, and is extremely far reached. Answering with "all people have the capacity for evil" is once again a subtle misdirection which seems like a recurring theme in your comments. This wasn't what you implied. Put simply, Israel and nazis are night and day, you are villifying a country and its people with extreme and factually wrong accusations.

ignoramous 9mo ago
> Israel and nazis are night and day Depends on who you ask. People are allowed to see similarities, like Lebensraum & Occupation, as two examples. They don't need anyone's certification or permission. And intimidation, I believe, has stopped working. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and... I mean, "Judeo-Nazi" was a term coined by an Israeli polymath Yeshayahu Leibowitz & has been part of the Revisionist discourse for quite some time; ex: Better a Living Judeo-Nazi Than a Dead Saint (1983), https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162 / https://archive.vn/uX42N https://archive.vn/uX42N
- throwaway3060 9mo ago
  You would be wrong. This happens to have been a propaganda campaign invented decades earlier in the Soviet Union. In fact, it is quite stunning how similar all this is to the modern propaganda Russia uses.
  - ignoramous 9mo ago
    > You would be wrong Well, looks like Leibowitz did not coin the term (much to his chagrin perhaps?), but I guess he was one of the more prominent Israelis to never apologize for using it. May be Leibowitz spoke truth to power; may be he was a Soviet asset. > quite stunning how similar all this is Hm. Michael S: Aren't you exaggerating when you use the term "Judeo- Nazi?" Do you truly believe that we are liable to decline to the level of the Nazis? Yeshayahu L: When the nation (or in Nazi terminology, the race) and the power of its state become supreme values, human action is no longer inhibited. This mentality is also widespread among us. In the territories under our occupation in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and Lebanon, we are already behaving as the Nazis behaved in the territories under their occupation in Czechoslovakia and the west. https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=jud-001%3A2018%3A74%3A%3A270 https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=jud-001%3A2018%3A...
    - throwaway3060 9mo ago
      I thought for a bit whether I should reply to this or not. But I noticed one point in here I felt obligated to correct. If your idea of the Nazis is their occupation in the west, then you are missing most of the picture. Their atrocities in the east are far beyond anything that has ever taken place on this Earth before or since. There is no comparison whatsoever.
      - ignoramous 9mo ago
        > I noticed one point in here I felt obligated to correct ... If your idea of the Nazis is their occupation in the west, then you are missing most of the picture ... You'd be correcting Mr. Leibowitz, not me. > no comparison whatsoever It is not up for debate that there isn't any comparison to be made. That said, we can choose to live in our bubbles, yeah; but on the flip side, interactions with the outside world might come as a rude shock.
        throwaway3060 9mo ago
        Are you trying to imply there is a comparison between Gaza and Leningrad? Where a number equal to the entire modern population of Gaza perished? Something is very wrong with education on WW2 if anyone thinks this is a reasonable thing to say. A bubble, I suppose.