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I've looked into this company before and when I saw who was behind it and on the team it was an immediate red flag to never use or trust this company. Look at

by Ms-J 8mo ago

I've looked into this company before and when I saw who was behind it and on the team it was an immediate red flag to never use or trust this company. Look at who Doyle has worked for previously and what connections he has. Palantir and the military, to start.

johndoylecape 8mo ago
Doyle here :) I'm very proud of my military service! Prior to Cape, I led the national security business at Palantir. That experience was actually the catalyst for Cape. It’s where I first learned about the massive array of vulnerabilities that exist in our current cellular networks. I saw how those gaps impacted not just government organizations, but everyday people, and I realized that the mobile phones we carry every day are perhaps the single largest risk to our privacy. I needed that experience to understand the depth of the problem, but once I left to start Cape, that connection ended. Cape has no ties to Palantir. We aren't a subsidiary, we aren't a "front," and we don't share data with them. The only thing we took from Palantir was the desire to fix a broken system. If you want to see me and some of the rest of our founding team talk more about this topic, you can watch this video on our Instagram page here. Another related theory I’ve seen online is that Cape is a honeypot for law enforcement. Cape is not a honeypot. It’s so hard to prove a negative, but at least I can say it clearly and out loud: Cape is not a honeypot. We are a group of individuals who deeply value privacy. That mission carries across everything we do, from our work with the US government and allies, to everyday people, and everything in between. We are incredibly proud to work with people who protect our country by ensuring they have secure, trusted communications wherever they are. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-18/us-navy-trying-experimental-tech-to-protect-guam-from-hacks https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-18/us-navy-t... We also work with the EFF to provide investigative journalists and activists with free Cape service so they can do their work safely. https://www.cape.co/journalists-and-activists https://www.cape.co/journalists-and-activists We partner with non-profits to support victims of domestic abuse who are facing cyber-stalking and digital harassment. https://www.cape.co/break-free https://www.cape.co/break-free We are a young company growing exponentially, and we don't plan on slowing down. We know we have to earn your trust every day. The truth is, no one else is building a high-quality, first-class solution to these specific cellular problems. We are committed to being the ones who do it right.
- Ms-J 8mo ago
  Someone doesn't need to work for Palantir or the military to understand that cellular security is fundamentally broken and completely insecure. That is a lot of highly polished for the camera media you dropped into that post. The way that you word things, such as "Cape is not a honeypot." but don't delve any deeper, to start, gives someone less than zero confidence or trust in your words. I have seen enough in the industry to say that your words are meaningless.
  - alek-cape 8mo ago
    John's account was throttled since it's new. Posting this on his behalf. ---- You're right that you don't need to do those things, but I would argue that my background made me uniquely situated to understand and care about these problems deeply enough to spend years of my life building a company in response. I say "Cape is not a honeypot" a lot just so I don't appear to be mincing words. If you want to delve deeper on how we treat customer data, a couple of good resources are our privacy policy: https://www.cape.co/privacy-summary https://www.cape.co/privacy-summary And our trust page: https://trust.cape.co/ https://trust.cape.co/ You can also check out our blog for a bunch of posts on specific features we've built, etc.
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    - dang 8mo ago
      Yikes, sorry guys (I'm a mod here). I've marked his account (and yours!) legit so this won't happen again. It's my least favorite thing about HN that high-quality new accounts, such as founders jumping into threads about their work, sometimes get throttled by the software. Gah.
      - johndoylecape 7mo ago
        Thanks! No worries. I'm trying to respond to a few more comments, but seems like the thread is winding down.
abc123abc123 7mo ago
Ahh... ex-palantir and military (government drone), no thank you. Wouldn't trust them as long as I can throw them.
Noaidi 7mo ago
Yeah, this is my take as well. I was all excited about it until I looked at who ran it. Pretty much people from Plantier and navy seals. Looks like a pretty sweet honey pot.
titaniumtown 7mo ago
That made me very weary about this service. But I like the connections they have with other trusted organizations like the EFF and GrapheneOS. Still sketchy though.

by Ms-J 8mo ago

johndoylecape 8mo ago

Doyle here :) I'm very proud of my military service! Prior to Cape, I led the national security business at Palantir. That experience was actually the catalyst for Cape. It’s where I first learned about the massive array of vulnerabilities that exist in our current cellular networks. I saw how those gaps impacted not just government organizations, but everyday people, and I realized that the mobile phones we carry every day are perhaps the single largest risk to our privacy. I needed that experience to understand the depth of the problem, but once I left to start Cape, that connection ended. Cape has no ties to Palantir. We aren't a subsidiary, we aren't a "front," and we don't share data with them. The only thing we took from Palantir was the desire to fix a broken system. If you want to see me and some of the rest of our founding team talk more about this topic, you can watch this video on our Instagram page here. Another related theory I’ve seen online is that Cape is a honeypot for law enforcement. Cape is not a honeypot. It’s so hard to prove a negative, but at least I can say it clearly and out loud: Cape is not a honeypot. We are a group of individuals who deeply value privacy. That mission carries across everything we do, from our work with the US government and allies, to everyday people, and everything in between. We are incredibly proud to work with people who protect our country by ensuring they have secure, trusted communications wherever they are. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-18/us-navy-trying-experimental-tech-to-protect-guam-from-hacks https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-18/us-navy-t... We also work with the EFF to provide investigative journalists and activists with free Cape service so they can do their work safely. https://www.cape.co/journalists-and-activists https://www.cape.co/journalists-and-activists We partner with non-profits to support victims of domestic abuse who are facing cyber-stalking and digital harassment. https://www.cape.co/break-free https://www.cape.co/break-free We are a young company growing exponentially, and we don't plan on slowing down. We know we have to earn your trust every day. The truth is, no one else is building a high-quality, first-class solution to these specific cellular problems. We are committed to being the ones who do it right.

Ms-J 8mo ago
Someone doesn't need to work for Palantir or the military to understand that cellular security is fundamentally broken and completely insecure. That is a lot of highly polished for the camera media you dropped into that post. The way that you word things, such as "Cape is not a honeypot." but don't delve any deeper, to start, gives someone less than zero confidence or trust in your words. I have seen enough in the industry to say that your words are meaningless.
- alek-cape 8mo ago
  John's account was throttled since it's new. Posting this on his behalf. ---- You're right that you don't need to do those things, but I would argue that my background made me uniquely situated to understand and care about these problems deeply enough to spend years of my life building a company in response. I say "Cape is not a honeypot" a lot just so I don't appear to be mincing words. If you want to delve deeper on how we treat customer data, a couple of good resources are our privacy policy: https://www.cape.co/privacy-summary https://www.cape.co/privacy-summary And our trust page: https://trust.cape.co/ https://trust.cape.co/ You can also check out our blog for a bunch of posts on specific features we've built, etc.
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  - dang 8mo ago
    Yikes, sorry guys (I'm a mod here). I've marked his account (and yours!) legit so this won't happen again. It's my least favorite thing about HN that high-quality new accounts, such as founders jumping into threads about their work, sometimes get throttled by the software. Gah.
    - johndoylecape 7mo ago
      Thanks! No worries. I'm trying to respond to a few more comments, but seems like the thread is winding down.

abc123abc123 7mo ago

Ahh... ex-palantir and military (government drone), no thank you. Wouldn't trust them as long as I can throw them.

Noaidi 7mo ago

Yeah, this is my take as well. I was all excited about it until I looked at who ran it. Pretty much people from Plantier and navy seals. Looks like a pretty sweet honey pot.

titaniumtown 7mo ago

That made me very weary about this service. But I like the connections they have with other trusted organizations like the EFF and GrapheneOS. Still sketchy though.