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There are bad things in China, but there is no "social credit" system being used.

by xtn 7mo ago

Saline9515 7mo ago
Yes there is. Why deny it? It's pretty public. In this french documentary, which was later aired on the parliamentary tv channel, the author films his daily life with his chinese wife, who has a social credit account, and interviews officials speaking openly about it. It's 4 years old. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma6txLM_LLs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma6txLM_LLs
- yanhangyhy 7mo ago
  i dont have.. and nobody talks about it.. in china. this remind me one of the ep of the TV show <newsroom> when they found so many evidence of a massacre using chemical weapons and broadcast it.. and then found out its all fake.
  - Saline9515 7mo ago
    If no one talks about it, why is this .gov.cn article discusses the problems currently posed by the existing social credit system? There isn't indeed a nation-wide score, but given the size of Chinese municipalities (often larger than most countries in the world), it's far from anecdotal. https://credit.fgw.sh.gov.cn/xyyj/20220902/8693d5ba378d4f578b099ba0e8a17f02.html https://credit.fgw.sh.gov.cn/xyyj/20220902/8693d5ba378d4f578...
    - ivankabiden 7mo ago
      There is a credit reporting system, similar to the one in the US. However, most people are not affected by it in their daily lives. Only those who are in serious financial trouble and cannot pay off their debts are placed on a blacklist, which restricts them from traveling by high-speed rail or flights.
      - transcriptase 7mo ago
        Now go find a mirror and read your post out loud to yourself, slowly.
        dijit 7mo ago
        The US also restricts peoples right to travel if they owe too much in taxes or have more than $2,500 in unpaid child support payments. They can even revoke your passport (which is functionally the same thing as some forms of travel only accept a passport). So, you're both doing the pointing spiderman meme here.
      - grosswait 7mo ago
        Yeah, I was on my way to being convinced that my understanding was a misconception, but this just halted that in its tracks. You’ve just stated the slippery slope has been built and is ready when desired.
    - yanhangyhy 7mo ago
      > There isn't indeed a nation-wide score there is no score at all. even this article didn't talk about anything about 'score'. its no different compare to many other countries. soical credit system is a general concept. I do wish everybody outside of china have your mindset. then we have nothing to worry about.
- stx5 7mo ago
  fake news!
- ivankabiden 7mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconcep... There is no so-called social credit system you western guys have in mind. There is a credit reporting system. It's not that different from the US credit reporting system. But it has far less of an impact on our daily lives than the US system on Americans. For example, no one asks for your credit report when you want to rent a house.
TheOtherHobbes 7mo ago
There's a social credit system everywhere. It's called "money". It's quite literally and explicitly a credit system that rewards certain behaviours and castes and punishes and disempowers others. The fact that everyone in the West is used to it doesn't alter the fact that it's social engineering at scale and not a law of nature.

There are bad things in China, but there is no "social credit" system being used.

by xtn 7mo ago

There are bad things in China, but there is no "social credit" system being used.

Yes there is. Why deny it? It's pretty public. In this french documentary, which was later aired on the parliamentary tv channel, the author films his daily life with his chinese wife, who has a social credit account, and interviews officials speaking openly about it. It's 4 years old. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma6txLM_LLs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma6txLM_LLs

yanhangyhy 7mo ago
i dont have.. and nobody talks about it.. in china. this remind me one of the ep of the TV show <newsroom> when they found so many evidence of a massacre using chemical weapons and broadcast it.. and then found out its all fake.
- Saline9515 7mo ago
  If no one talks about it, why is this .gov.cn article discusses the problems currently posed by the existing social credit system? There isn't indeed a nation-wide score, but given the size of Chinese municipalities (often larger than most countries in the world), it's far from anecdotal. https://credit.fgw.sh.gov.cn/xyyj/20220902/8693d5ba378d4f578b099ba0e8a17f02.html https://credit.fgw.sh.gov.cn/xyyj/20220902/8693d5ba378d4f578...
  - ivankabiden 7mo ago
    There is a credit reporting system, similar to the one in the US. However, most people are not affected by it in their daily lives. Only those who are in serious financial trouble and cannot pay off their debts are placed on a blacklist, which restricts them from traveling by high-speed rail or flights.
    - transcriptase 7mo ago
      Now go find a mirror and read your post out loud to yourself, slowly.
      - dijit 7mo ago
        The US also restricts peoples right to travel if they owe too much in taxes or have more than $2,500 in unpaid child support payments. They can even revoke your passport (which is functionally the same thing as some forms of travel only accept a passport). So, you're both doing the pointing spiderman meme here.
    - grosswait 7mo ago
      Yeah, I was on my way to being convinced that my understanding was a misconception, but this just halted that in its tracks. You’ve just stated the slippery slope has been built and is ready when desired.
  - yanhangyhy 7mo ago
    > There isn't indeed a nation-wide score there is no score at all. even this article didn't talk about anything about 'score'. its no different compare to many other countries. soical credit system is a general concept. I do wish everybody outside of china have your mindset. then we have nothing to worry about.
stx5 7mo ago
fake news!
ivankabiden 7mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconcep... There is no so-called social credit system you western guys have in mind. There is a credit reporting system. It's not that different from the US credit reporting system. But it has far less of an impact on our daily lives than the US system on Americans. For example, no one asks for your credit report when you want to rent a house.

TheOtherHobbes 7mo ago

There's a social credit system everywhere. It's called "money". It's quite literally and explicitly a credit system that rewards certain behaviours and castes and punishes and disempowers others. The fact that everyone in the West is used to it doesn't alter the fact that it's social engineering at scale and not a law of nature.