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Bogus clickbait title from Ars. I remember when Ars was good, but that memory is fading fast.

by chrisjj 8mo ago

iamnothere 8mo ago
How so? > “Our investigation found that Reddit failed to apply any robust age assurance mechanism and therefore did not have a lawful basis for processing the personal information of children under the age of 13… These failures meant Reddit was using children’s data unlawfully, potentially exposing them to inappropriate and harmful content,” an ICO press release said. Sounds correct to me. They want Reddit to check ages more thoroughly in order to ensure they are dealing with data for under 13s correctly. Whatever the justification, it seems the UK is determined to push strict age (and thus identity) verification on social sites.
- chrisjj 8mo ago
  So "UK fines Reddit for having no robust age checks" would have been fine. > Whatever the justification, it seems the UK is determined to push strict age (and thus identity) verification on social sites. The required age verification does not require identity verification at all.
  - iamnothere 8mo ago
    How do you plan to prove that a user is at least 13 without collecting ID or having a third party do it? The ICO press release says that self-declaration is inadequate here, and the other methods they recommend in their age assurance document cannot ensure anonymity.
    - chrisjj 8mo ago
      > How do you plan to prove that a user is at least 13 without collecting ID or having a third party do it "you can verify your age on Facebook by taking a video selfie" https://www.facebook.com/help/958848942357089 https://www.facebook.com/help/958848942357089 > The ICO press release says that self-declaration is inadequate here, I agree. > and the other methods they recommend in their age assurance document cannot ensure anonymity. Hang on though. What I was challenging was your claim UK is pushing identity verification. That's different.
      - iamnothere 8mo ago
        In the age of facial recognition, a “video selfie” is easily translated into an identity. And besides, websites should not be collecting “video selfies” of children, for any reason.
        chrisjj 8mo ago
        But not translated into indentity verification. And there's no suggestion age verification websites are collecting video selfies of children.
        iamnothere 8mo ago
        Here’s how this is going to work, in reality: - 13 year old does video selfie - 13 year old is flagged as too young, might be growing slower than their peers - 13 year old has to upload an ID to prove they are of age - Identity provider claims they delete the ID but oops they don’t actually do that and there’s a data breach
        chrisjj 8mo ago
        Yes, could happen. And to adults too. The social media site might choose to avoid this by stopping at #2. Leading to complaints from 14-yr-olds denied their right to social media.

Bogus clickbait title from Ars. I remember when Ars was good, but that memory is fading fast.

by chrisjj 8mo ago

Bogus clickbait title from Ars. I remember when Ars was good, but that memory is fading fast.

How so? > “Our investigation found that Reddit failed to apply any robust age assurance mechanism and therefore did not have a lawful basis for processing the personal information of children under the age of 13… These failures meant Reddit was using children’s data unlawfully, potentially exposing them to inappropriate and harmful content,” an ICO press release said. Sounds correct to me. They want Reddit to check ages more thoroughly in order to ensure they are dealing with data for under 13s correctly. Whatever the justification, it seems the UK is determined to push strict age (and thus identity) verification on social sites.

chrisjj 8mo ago
So "UK fines Reddit for having no robust age checks" would have been fine. > Whatever the justification, it seems the UK is determined to push strict age (and thus identity) verification on social sites. The required age verification does not require identity verification at all.
- iamnothere 8mo ago
  How do you plan to prove that a user is at least 13 without collecting ID or having a third party do it? The ICO press release says that self-declaration is inadequate here, and the other methods they recommend in their age assurance document cannot ensure anonymity.
  - chrisjj 8mo ago
    > How do you plan to prove that a user is at least 13 without collecting ID or having a third party do it "you can verify your age on Facebook by taking a video selfie" https://www.facebook.com/help/958848942357089 https://www.facebook.com/help/958848942357089 > The ICO press release says that self-declaration is inadequate here, I agree. > and the other methods they recommend in their age assurance document cannot ensure anonymity. Hang on though. What I was challenging was your claim UK is pushing identity verification. That's different.
    - iamnothere 8mo ago
      In the age of facial recognition, a “video selfie” is easily translated into an identity. And besides, websites should not be collecting “video selfies” of children, for any reason.
      - chrisjj 8mo ago
        But not translated into indentity verification. And there's no suggestion age verification websites are collecting video selfies of children.
        iamnothere 8mo ago
        Here’s how this is going to work, in reality: - 13 year old does video selfie - 13 year old is flagged as too young, might be growing slower than their peers - 13 year old has to upload an ID to prove they are of age - Identity provider claims they delete the ID but oops they don’t actually do that and there’s a data breach
        chrisjj 8mo ago
        Yes, could happen. And to adults too. The social media site might choose to avoid this by stopping at #2. Leading to complaints from 14-yr-olds denied their right to social media.