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Will not pass muster with FCC. Know Your Customer regulations require the company to … know the customer. They will not last.

gruez 7mo ago
>Know Your Customer regulations require the company to … know the customer Which KYC regulations exist for carriers? AFAIK you can walk into any store and get a SIM card. The most they ask for is maybe E911 which they don't check.
- whiterock 7mo ago
  not in Europe no more for a few years now.
  - gruez 7mo ago
    "Europe" isn't a monolith, and there are quite a few countries that don't require any KYC, UK and NL to name two.
    - jrexilius 7mo ago
      You don't need an ID to buy a SIM in UK? I remember not needing one a long time ago but in recent years was asked for one.. maybe not a law? irregularly applied?
- psim1 7mo ago
  Carriers both land/VoIP and wireless must attest to having fraud mitigation measures; this is the "Robocall Mitigation Database" and in Cape's record they exempt themselves from STIR/SHAKEN attestation but state they have measures to prevent fraudulent calling. (which is required for them to be permitted to operate) What kind of measures are possible to prevent fraudulent calls when the caller is your anonymous customer? The answer is obviously "none," unless you respond to every complaint by terminating service of the offending customer and hoping they don't come back.
  - fc417fc802 7mo ago
    > What kind of measures are possible to prevent fraudulent calls when the caller is your anonymous customer? Presumably some fairly basic heuristics would be sufficient. Robocalling isn't economically viable if you only get a few calls per subscription. You need to place (I assume) at least thousands of calls per day per subscription for it to even begin to make sense. Any account doing that is going to be blindingly obvious provided you have even 30 minutes worth of logs. I can already walk into Walmart and purchase a cheap prepaid device with cash. That's pretty close to anonymous.
jrexilius 7mo ago
I think the regulations have some loopholes for domestic use, but one I don't know how they can really get around is for international roaming, as other countries have far stricter KYC laws. Domestically you can buy a Tmobile or Cricket with a pre-paid visa cash card and a gmail address (no ID required), but they won't work outside the US.
- inigyou 7mo ago
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rsync 7mo ago
False. You can sign up for US mobile service, which is a Verizon MVNO, right this moment with no personally identifiable information at all. Remember: neither the visa nor MasterCard payment networks have any support for customer name. Everyone pretends that they do, but they do not. In the absence of an additional security layer like “verified by visa “there is no way to verify cardholder name.
- rationalist 7mo ago
  I thought the verify name/address/etc beyond just the 3-4 digit code on the back was just a feature that cost the merchant extra. (I literally put 123 Fake St in payment portals.)

gruez 7mo ago

>Know Your Customer regulations require the company to … know the customer Which KYC regulations exist for carriers? AFAIK you can walk into any store and get a SIM card. The most they ask for is maybe E911 which they don't check.

whiterock 7mo ago
not in Europe no more for a few years now.
- gruez 7mo ago
  "Europe" isn't a monolith, and there are quite a few countries that don't require any KYC, UK and NL to name two.
  - jrexilius 7mo ago
    You don't need an ID to buy a SIM in UK? I remember not needing one a long time ago but in recent years was asked for one.. maybe not a law? irregularly applied?
psim1 7mo ago
Carriers both land/VoIP and wireless must attest to having fraud mitigation measures; this is the "Robocall Mitigation Database" and in Cape's record they exempt themselves from STIR/SHAKEN attestation but state they have measures to prevent fraudulent calling. (which is required for them to be permitted to operate) What kind of measures are possible to prevent fraudulent calls when the caller is your anonymous customer? The answer is obviously "none," unless you respond to every complaint by terminating service of the offending customer and hoping they don't come back.
- fc417fc802 7mo ago
  > What kind of measures are possible to prevent fraudulent calls when the caller is your anonymous customer? Presumably some fairly basic heuristics would be sufficient. Robocalling isn't economically viable if you only get a few calls per subscription. You need to place (I assume) at least thousands of calls per day per subscription for it to even begin to make sense. Any account doing that is going to be blindingly obvious provided you have even 30 minutes worth of logs. I can already walk into Walmart and purchase a cheap prepaid device with cash. That's pretty close to anonymous.

jrexilius 7mo ago

I think the regulations have some loopholes for domestic use, but one I don't know how they can really get around is for international roaming, as other countries have far stricter KYC laws. Domestically you can buy a Tmobile or Cricket with a pre-paid visa cash card and a gmail address (no ID required), but they won't work outside the US.

inigyou 7mo ago
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rsync 7mo ago

False. You can sign up for US mobile service, which is a Verizon MVNO, right this moment with no personally identifiable information at all. Remember: neither the visa nor MasterCard payment networks have any support for customer name. Everyone pretends that they do, but they do not. In the absence of an additional security layer like “verified by visa “there is no way to verify cardholder name.

rationalist 7mo ago
I thought the verify name/address/etc beyond just the 3-4 digit code on the back was just a feature that cost the merchant extra. (I literally put 123 Fake St in payment portals.)