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Well they still have the full support of the usa government, and I'm pretty sure that even democrats would still keep supporting Israel. So what did they reall

Well they still have the full support of the usa government, and I'm pretty sure that even democrats would still keep supporting Israel. So what did they really lost? Do they even care that some Europeans don't like them ? Europeans are not the one who sell them 99% of their weapons.

basilgohar 8mo ago
Europe is extremely important to Israel. Their legitimacy stems from seeing themselves as European. Their loss of support from Europe is very bad in the long term. Yes, US is supporting them to. They are losing from both sides, though. They may have part of the remaining generation in power and that's it.
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irishcoffee 8mo ago
I’m not sure most non-Europeans care what Europeans think about them. :)
jmward01 8mo ago
The US is no longer a reliable partner. Once the current administration is gone the likelihood of US support is less than guaranteed. Even with this administration in place support is less than guaranteed. All it takes is the right moment to set off a tantrum and friends become enemies. Israel really doesn't have allies so much as accomplices and that type of friend only sticks around when it helps them.
LightBug1 8mo ago
It's notable that the US right wing have turned against Israel. Witness Tucker Carlson dismantling Huckabee, and Zionist ideology, recently. Where it ends up, no one knows. But this is different.
- phatfish 8mo ago
  Trump is as far right as you can go and still support Israel. If America goes further to Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes land Jews will wonder why they let so much evil be done in their name by the Israeli government.
- n4r9 8mo ago
  Carlson has never been that strongly pro-Israel as I understand it. He's carefully toed a line that maintains a solid right-wing fanbase. See e.g. this [0] from 2012 and this [1] from 2019. [0] https://www.politico.com/media/story/2012/01/tucker-carlson-hears-out-the-anti-israel-lobby-from-monsey-and-talks-about-daily-callers-dust-up-with-the-attorney-general-000229/ https://www.politico.com/media/story/2012/01/tucker-carlson-... [1] https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/archbishop-pelosi-says-walls-are-immoral-so-what-does-she-think-about-israel-and-its-massive-new-wall https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/archbishop-pelosi-says-walls...
  - LightBug1 8mo ago
    Of course that was just one example. But Carlson has definitely let loose since his Fox News days and, if you're aware of what's going on, you'll know that there is a significant section of the US right wing now that is anti-Israel. This isn't in doubt. On the flip side, I'm not saying they are pro-Palestine, it is definitely an America First agenda. However, the unified front on Israel is finally broken. For the best, I'd say.

basilgohar 8mo ago

Europe is extremely important to Israel. Their legitimacy stems from seeing themselves as European. Their loss of support from Europe is very bad in the long term. Yes, US is supporting them to. They are losing from both sides, though. They may have part of the remaining generation in power and that's it.

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irishcoffee 8mo ago

I’m not sure most non-Europeans care what Europeans think about them. :)

jmward01 8mo ago

The US is no longer a reliable partner. Once the current administration is gone the likelihood of US support is less than guaranteed. Even with this administration in place support is less than guaranteed. All it takes is the right moment to set off a tantrum and friends become enemies. Israel really doesn't have allies so much as accomplices and that type of friend only sticks around when it helps them.

LightBug1 8mo ago

It's notable that the US right wing have turned against Israel. Witness Tucker Carlson dismantling Huckabee, and Zionist ideology, recently. Where it ends up, no one knows. But this is different.

phatfish 8mo ago
Trump is as far right as you can go and still support Israel. If America goes further to Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes land Jews will wonder why they let so much evil be done in their name by the Israeli government.
n4r9 8mo ago
Carlson has never been that strongly pro-Israel as I understand it. He's carefully toed a line that maintains a solid right-wing fanbase. See e.g. this [0] from 2012 and this [1] from 2019. [0] https://www.politico.com/media/story/2012/01/tucker-carlson-hears-out-the-anti-israel-lobby-from-monsey-and-talks-about-daily-callers-dust-up-with-the-attorney-general-000229/ https://www.politico.com/media/story/2012/01/tucker-carlson-... [1] https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/archbishop-pelosi-says-walls-are-immoral-so-what-does-she-think-about-israel-and-its-massive-new-wall https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/archbishop-pelosi-says-walls...
- LightBug1 8mo ago
  Of course that was just one example. But Carlson has definitely let loose since his Fox News days and, if you're aware of what's going on, you'll know that there is a significant section of the US right wing now that is anti-Israel. This isn't in doubt. On the flip side, I'm not saying they are pro-Palestine, it is definitely an America First agenda. However, the unified front on Israel is finally broken. For the best, I'd say.