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From the report: > The report by Earshot and Forensic Architecture reconstructs, minute by minute, how the massacre unfolded. Using video and audio recordings

From the report: > The report by Earshot and Forensic Architecture reconstructs, minute by minute, how the massacre unfolded. Using video and audio recordings from the incident[1], open-source images and videos[2], satellite imagery[3], social media posts[4], and other materials[5], as well as in-depth interviews with two survivors of the attack[6], the groups were able to digitally reconstruct the scene and events surrounding the massacre. So out of multiple "sources", some of which aren't even mentioned ("other materials"?), only the first one is actually from the scene. Sources 2 through 5 are not from the actual scene. The "interviews" are eye witness accounts which are extremely unreliable in this context, especially in a gunfight in the dark. I don't know. Doesn't seem all that high-tech impressive or even reliable to me. There's also a huge problem with the team conducting this report being consistently biased in their terminology, having team members with titles like "activist", and having researchers from Ramallah and other places who are clearly a side in the conflict. I will be glad to see a neutral, journalistic research of this incident trying to actually get to the truth and determine if there were hamas militants in the convoy, rather than see some self proclaimed activists play with google maps.

ceejayoz 8mo ago
You can see the video at https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-aid-workers-deaths-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr.... Decide for yourself if the initial Israeli claims that it was an unmarked, unlit convoy check out. Only need to see the first few seconds, if you don't wanna hear all the shooting and dying.
- magic_hamster 8mo ago
  I was addressing the "digital reconstruction", replying to what you said about satellite images "showing the scene" (which is wrong), not claims on whether or not emergency light was on. It would be appreciated if you actually replied to my comment.
  - ceejayoz 8mo ago
    The satellite images start on page 39 of the report, showing the cover-up efforts.
    - magic_hamster 8mo ago
      Sorry to nitpick here, but using satellite from literally a different time cannot be part of the reconstruction of the events they appear to be showing in the post. So, this is just one of numerous small but misleading details. The actual reconstruction is not an incredible feat of technology, they have very little work with and have to lean heavily on eye witness accounts from people trying to make it through a gunfight at night time. This wouldn't pass any scrutiny by a real publication which is probably why it's on their blog and nowhere else.
      - ceejayoz 8mo ago
        The satellite shows the cover-up. The shooting is on video, and admitted to by the IDF. After a while, when it was dug out of the grave. Again, the video is available, from the very real publication The New York Times.
        magic_hamster 8mo ago
        > The satellite shows the cover-up. The satellite shows something from a time after the events which were recreated and is therefore not relevant to the "digital recreation" which is what the post is about. Also, there is absolutely zero proof it was a coverup as multiple explanations for this were given. Sure you may choose to believe what you will. But the right way to put this, if you're truly neutral and looking for the truth, is that the satellite imagery shows a later occurance where the vehicles were uncovered, several reasons for this were suggested, and a coverup is also possible, but couldn't be verified with any factual data.
        ceejayoz 8mo ago
        https://www.idf.il/286249 https://www.idf.il/286249 “the examination identified several professional failures, breaches of orders, and a failure to fully report the incident” “The deputy commander of the Golani Reconnaissance Battalion will be dismissed from his position due to his responsibilities as the field commander in this incident and for providing an incomplete and inaccurate report during the debrief.” Sure seems like the IDF thinks someone covered shit up.

ceejayoz 8mo ago

You can see the video at https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-aid-workers-deaths-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr.... Decide for yourself if the initial Israeli claims that it was an unmarked, unlit convoy check out. Only need to see the first few seconds, if you don't wanna hear all the shooting and dying.

magic_hamster 8mo ago
I was addressing the "digital reconstruction", replying to what you said about satellite images "showing the scene" (which is wrong), not claims on whether or not emergency light was on. It would be appreciated if you actually replied to my comment.
- ceejayoz 8mo ago
  The satellite images start on page 39 of the report, showing the cover-up efforts.
  - magic_hamster 8mo ago
    Sorry to nitpick here, but using satellite from literally a different time cannot be part of the reconstruction of the events they appear to be showing in the post. So, this is just one of numerous small but misleading details. The actual reconstruction is not an incredible feat of technology, they have very little work with and have to lean heavily on eye witness accounts from people trying to make it through a gunfight at night time. This wouldn't pass any scrutiny by a real publication which is probably why it's on their blog and nowhere else.
    - ceejayoz 8mo ago
      The satellite shows the cover-up. The shooting is on video, and admitted to by the IDF. After a while, when it was dug out of the grave. Again, the video is available, from the very real publication The New York Times.
      - magic_hamster 8mo ago
        > The satellite shows the cover-up. The satellite shows something from a time after the events which were recreated and is therefore not relevant to the "digital recreation" which is what the post is about. Also, there is absolutely zero proof it was a coverup as multiple explanations for this were given. Sure you may choose to believe what you will. But the right way to put this, if you're truly neutral and looking for the truth, is that the satellite imagery shows a later occurance where the vehicles were uncovered, several reasons for this were suggested, and a coverup is also possible, but couldn't be verified with any factual data.
        ceejayoz 8mo ago
        https://www.idf.il/286249 https://www.idf.il/286249 “the examination identified several professional failures, breaches of orders, and a failure to fully report the incident” “The deputy commander of the Golani Reconnaissance Battalion will be dismissed from his position due to his responsibilities as the field commander in this incident and for providing an incomplete and inaccurate report during the debrief.” Sure seems like the IDF thinks someone covered shit up.