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So what? Even if you hate who the president is, it is in the best interest of everyone that the president does a good job. Wanting the president to fail and mil

So what? Even if you hate who the president is, it is in the best interest of everyone that the president does a good job. Wanting the president to fail and millions to suffer is scorched earth hatred, not strategy.

rayiner 8mo ago
Even if you hate the orange guy, there's something to be said for his approach of using threats to achieve results instead of carrots like tax breaks.
- gigatexal 8mo ago
  Haha very telling that this is what you find laudable. Onshoring manufacturing … it’s a low margin low skill (relative) industry compared to the services and things of the modern economy. We import goods made cheaper in other countries and benefit from it in consumer surplus… that the educated here on HN can invert a tree or whatever the latest leet code garbage is being asked in interviews but never took and economics class or basic ethics is beyond me.
  - rayiner 8mo ago
    If you were correct, it would be trivial for Apple to reshore the manufacturing. But it’s not. Because what China has proven is that, when you outsource the “low margin low skill” stuff, everything going up the chain will follow. China used its low-margin low skill work to bootstrap the rest of the stack, and now they can make air to air missiles with range exceeding US missiles: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-first-close-look-longest-a2a-pl17 https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-first-close-... Margin is the wrong way to look at it. Law and finance are high margin work. But lawyers won’t help you win a war.
    - TimorousBestie 8mo ago
      > China used its low-margin low skill work to bootstrap the rest of the stack, and now they can make air to air missiles with range exceeding US missiles: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-first-close- https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-first-close-... We’ve got to get you some better sources, mate. This is a straight-up Russian propagandist pretending to operate out of the UK while having a mailing address in South Korea. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/
      - rayiner 8mo ago
        Fact check websites are tankie propaganda. But this particular point about air to air missiles is well attested.
        TimorousBestie 8mo ago
        > Fact check websites are tankie propaganda. Notice that this doesn’t contradict your link being shoddy. Blindly reiterating Russian propaganda is very patriotic of you. > But this particular point about air to air missiles is well attested. Please don’t pretend that I was disputing the expected range of the PL-17; that’s clearly not the point I raised.
bastardoperator 8mo ago
This President isn't doing a good job on really any level. Its not that I want anyone to fail, it's that the President today is currently in a state of failure, and those failures like enriching himself can have long term devastating effects on our society.
- rayiner 8mo ago
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  - gigatexal 8mo ago
    Obama managed to deport many without the vitriol or the killing of American citizens. Are you a one issue voter? Just showing a blind eye to everything so long as no brown folks cross into this country?
    - rayiner 8mo ago
      According to the LA Times, that statistic is misleading: https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-2014... (“A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data… On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency’s deportation statistics.”). I believe that the premise of the immigration laws is correct—that exceeding certain levels of immigration harms society for various reasons that have nothing to do with protecting sunscreen sales—just as Clinton and Obama claimed to do. Again, you can disagree with the premise. But my entire life I saw presidential candidates promise to fix this particular problem, and Trump succeeded.
      - bastardoperator 8mo ago
        If they were cooked then they're cooked now. "Trump succeeded" remains unsupported by the same logic. Good shot on the googling and 12 year old article though.
gigatexal 8mo ago
Business will continue to business. POTUS is a failed businessman many times over who only increased his wealth by whoring himself to our enemies be extorting our allies. I’m on the right side of history. Are you?
- platevoltage 8mo ago
  I mean, now he's just straight up taking money from the treasury.
gigatexal 8mo ago
This is the same as saying to a woman in an abusive relationship: “it’s in the best interest of the kids and the family and everyone else that you put on a happy face and make it look like he’s a good husband and father even if he beats you”

rayiner 8mo ago

Even if you hate the orange guy, there's something to be said for his approach of using threats to achieve results instead of carrots like tax breaks.

gigatexal 8mo ago
Haha very telling that this is what you find laudable. Onshoring manufacturing … it’s a low margin low skill (relative) industry compared to the services and things of the modern economy. We import goods made cheaper in other countries and benefit from it in consumer surplus… that the educated here on HN can invert a tree or whatever the latest leet code garbage is being asked in interviews but never took and economics class or basic ethics is beyond me.
- rayiner 8mo ago
  If you were correct, it would be trivial for Apple to reshore the manufacturing. But it’s not. Because what China has proven is that, when you outsource the “low margin low skill” stuff, everything going up the chain will follow. China used its low-margin low skill work to bootstrap the rest of the stack, and now they can make air to air missiles with range exceeding US missiles: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-first-close-look-longest-a2a-pl17 https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-first-close-... Margin is the wrong way to look at it. Law and finance are high margin work. But lawyers won’t help you win a war.
  - TimorousBestie 8mo ago
    > China used its low-margin low skill work to bootstrap the rest of the stack, and now they can make air to air missiles with range exceeding US missiles: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-first-close- https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-first-close-... We’ve got to get you some better sources, mate. This is a straight-up Russian propagandist pretending to operate out of the UK while having a mailing address in South Korea. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/
    - rayiner 8mo ago
      Fact check websites are tankie propaganda. But this particular point about air to air missiles is well attested.
      - TimorousBestie 8mo ago
        > Fact check websites are tankie propaganda. Notice that this doesn’t contradict your link being shoddy. Blindly reiterating Russian propaganda is very patriotic of you. > But this particular point about air to air missiles is well attested. Please don’t pretend that I was disputing the expected range of the PL-17; that’s clearly not the point I raised.

bastardoperator 8mo ago

This President isn't doing a good job on really any level. Its not that I want anyone to fail, it's that the President today is currently in a state of failure, and those failures like enriching himself can have long term devastating effects on our society.

rayiner 8mo ago
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- gigatexal 8mo ago
  Obama managed to deport many without the vitriol or the killing of American citizens. Are you a one issue voter? Just showing a blind eye to everything so long as no brown folks cross into this country?
  - rayiner 8mo ago
    According to the LA Times, that statistic is misleading: https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-2014... (“A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data… On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency’s deportation statistics.”). I believe that the premise of the immigration laws is correct—that exceeding certain levels of immigration harms society for various reasons that have nothing to do with protecting sunscreen sales—just as Clinton and Obama claimed to do. Again, you can disagree with the premise. But my entire life I saw presidential candidates promise to fix this particular problem, and Trump succeeded.
    - bastardoperator 8mo ago
      If they were cooked then they're cooked now. "Trump succeeded" remains unsupported by the same logic. Good shot on the googling and 12 year old article though.

gigatexal 8mo ago

Business will continue to business. POTUS is a failed businessman many times over who only increased his wealth by whoring himself to our enemies be extorting our allies. I’m on the right side of history. Are you?

platevoltage 8mo ago
I mean, now he's just straight up taking money from the treasury.

gigatexal 8mo ago

This is the same as saying to a woman in an abusive relationship: “it’s in the best interest of the kids and the family and everyone else that you put on a happy face and make it look like he’s a good husband and father even if he beats you”