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I don't know why you're using the past tense here, I was still trying to talk some sense into these people barely two days ago. It's hopeless at this point.

by thrance 8mo ago

vibeprofessor 8mo ago
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- ceejayoz 8mo ago
  I linked to an article from an Israeli news outlet citing the IDF considering that death toll to be accurate.
  - vibeprofessor 8mo ago
    haaretz is a left wing rag, they are just as trustworthy as hamas health ministry
    - ceejayoz 8mo ago
      And the IDF? They're hardly the only ones reporting this. https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/30/middleeast/israeli-military-gaza-killed-numbers-intl https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/30/middleeast/israeli-military-g... > Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth quoted military officials Thursday as saying, “We estimate that about 70,000 Gazans were killed in the war, not including the missing.” Kan 11, the country’s public broadcaster, attributed the information to the Coordinator of Government Affairs in the Territories (COGAT) and said there is now an effort to analyze how many of those killed were civilian or militant. And the IDF ain't contesting it: > “The IDF clarifies that the details published do not reflect official IDF data,” the spokesperson said. “Any publication or report on this matter will be released through official and orderly channels.” The spokesperson did not answer if the IDF held data about the number of Palestinians killed in Gaza or if such information would ever be released.
      - idop 8mo ago
        1. Says the IDF accepted the fictitious 0-militants 100%-civilian death toll claim. 2. Links to a news report that has literally no source on its claims. Just says "IDF accepted" and that's it. 3. Links to another news report which does nothing but report on the previous news report as if this makes it credible. 4. Says IDF isn't contesting the report. 5. Proceeds to provide the only official, verifiable, sourced IDF quote about the report, contesting it. The logical fallacies you're willing to accept in order to feed your hatred is impressive.
        ceejayoz 8mo ago
        1. No, it doesn't. 2. "Kan 11, the country’s public broadcaster, attributed the information to the Coordinator of Government Affairs in the Territories (COGAT)" (That's a state-owned news outlet, to be clear; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kan_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kan_11) 3. See above. 4. Accurate. 5. Re-read that statement. At no point does it contest the toll.
        idop 8mo ago
        Where is the source? Show me the actual source. Showing me that one news agency is reporting that another news agency reported something, with no way to verify anything in that chain, does and proves nothing. It's a claim with no backing. The official quote clearly states "the details do not reflect official data". If you see it as "no contest" we're gonna have to chalk it up to cultural differences in parsing language.
        ceejayoz 8mo ago
        > The official quote clearly states "the details do not reflect official data". Officially, Israel has no nuclear weapons. (lol)
        idop 8mo ago
        At the end of the day, you made a conscious choice to accept the claim that the IDF confirmed the death toll as truth, and to spread it online as such, despite not having any actual proof. That was Hamas strategy since 0day, long before Israel even managed to clear the last Hamas terrorist from its borders after the attack: just make anti-Israel claims. Just make them. Everybody will accept them, no questions asked.
netsharc 8mo ago
If you have 3 hours, there's a documentary you can watch, about a man who was sanctioned by the government to kill a lot of "communists" in 1960's Indonesia: The Act of Killing (available at e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q ). It's sort of understandable why the defenders of the genocide have to keep defending it. Stopping doing so today would mean admitting that until yesterday you've been defending utter inhumanity. A review: > Joshua Oppenheimer’s The Act of Killing is a challenging documentary. It is not only difficult to watch, but it also probes into one of the most grotesque aspects of human nature: the capacity for self-delusion in the face of horrific atrocities. This isn’t a film about history, facts, or statistics; it’s about the memories of the men who killed, the stories they tell themselves, and how they continue to live with the horrors they’ve inflicted on others. The film’s power lies in its ability to take the viewer beyond a surface-level understanding of evil and into the psychological abyss of those who have committed atrocities—and seemingly moved on with their lives. From: https://docthisway.com/2024/09/23/the-act-of-killing-review/ https://docthisway.com/2024/09/23/the-act-of-killing-review/
- cess11 8mo ago
  It's one of my favourite documentaries, almost as good as The Death of Yugoslavia. For whatever reason YouTube has put age limits on some of the uploads of it, here's the start of one without it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9Zw5fN3rE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9Zw5fN3rE
- themgt 8mo ago
  The Act of Killing is near the top of my list of underappreciated films. Permanently haunting.
- thrance 8mo ago
  Thanks for sharing! I will definitely give this a watch.
C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 8mo ago
> I was still trying to talk some sense into these people barely two days ago. It's hopeless at this point. I don't think "sense" is the issue. 1) Are you sure you were talking to actual people and not fake personas or even bots? 2) Keep in mind that there is A LOT of money to be made working for Israeli PR. Some people will take that money regardless of what they know is the actual truth. Some examples: - Certain social media influencers being paid up to $7000 per post [1] - Israel boosts propaganda funding by $150m to sway global opinion against genocide [2] [3] - "[...] a firm called Bridges Partners LLC has been hired to manage an influencer network under a project code-named the “Esther Project.” " [4] [1] https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-influencers-netanyahu/ https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-influencers-netanya... [2] https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israel-boosts-propaganda-funding-150-million-sway-global-opinion-against https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/isr... [3] https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/israel-has-spent-millions-trying-win-hearts-and-minds-abroad-its-about-to-spend-20-times-more/ https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/israel-has-spent-m... [4] https://www.jta.org/2025/09/30/united-states/israels-secret-esther-project-doj-filings-reveal-paid-us-influencer-campaign-amid-ai-powered-pr-blitz https://www.jta.org/2025/09/30/united-states/israels-secret-...

I don't know why you're using the past tense here, I was still trying to talk some sense into these people barely two days ago. It's hopeless at this point.

by thrance 8mo ago

I don't know why you're using the past tense here, I was still trying to talk some sense into these people barely two days ago. It's hopeless at this point.

vibeprofessor 8mo ago

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ceejayoz 8mo ago
I linked to an article from an Israeli news outlet citing the IDF considering that death toll to be accurate.
- vibeprofessor 8mo ago
  haaretz is a left wing rag, they are just as trustworthy as hamas health ministry
  - ceejayoz 8mo ago
    And the IDF? They're hardly the only ones reporting this. https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/30/middleeast/israeli-military-gaza-killed-numbers-intl https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/30/middleeast/israeli-military-g... > Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth quoted military officials Thursday as saying, “We estimate that about 70,000 Gazans were killed in the war, not including the missing.” Kan 11, the country’s public broadcaster, attributed the information to the Coordinator of Government Affairs in the Territories (COGAT) and said there is now an effort to analyze how many of those killed were civilian or militant. And the IDF ain't contesting it: > “The IDF clarifies that the details published do not reflect official IDF data,” the spokesperson said. “Any publication or report on this matter will be released through official and orderly channels.” The spokesperson did not answer if the IDF held data about the number of Palestinians killed in Gaza or if such information would ever be released.
    - idop 8mo ago
      1. Says the IDF accepted the fictitious 0-militants 100%-civilian death toll claim. 2. Links to a news report that has literally no source on its claims. Just says "IDF accepted" and that's it. 3. Links to another news report which does nothing but report on the previous news report as if this makes it credible. 4. Says IDF isn't contesting the report. 5. Proceeds to provide the only official, verifiable, sourced IDF quote about the report, contesting it. The logical fallacies you're willing to accept in order to feed your hatred is impressive.
      - ceejayoz 8mo ago
        1. No, it doesn't. 2. "Kan 11, the country’s public broadcaster, attributed the information to the Coordinator of Government Affairs in the Territories (COGAT)" (That's a state-owned news outlet, to be clear; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kan_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kan_11) 3. See above. 4. Accurate. 5. Re-read that statement. At no point does it contest the toll.
        idop 8mo ago
        Where is the source? Show me the actual source. Showing me that one news agency is reporting that another news agency reported something, with no way to verify anything in that chain, does and proves nothing. It's a claim with no backing. The official quote clearly states "the details do not reflect official data". If you see it as "no contest" we're gonna have to chalk it up to cultural differences in parsing language.
        ceejayoz 8mo ago
        > The official quote clearly states "the details do not reflect official data". Officially, Israel has no nuclear weapons. (lol)
        idop 8mo ago
        At the end of the day, you made a conscious choice to accept the claim that the IDF confirmed the death toll as truth, and to spread it online as such, despite not having any actual proof. That was Hamas strategy since 0day, long before Israel even managed to clear the last Hamas terrorist from its borders after the attack: just make anti-Israel claims. Just make them. Everybody will accept them, no questions asked.

netsharc 8mo ago

If you have 3 hours, there's a documentary you can watch, about a man who was sanctioned by the government to kill a lot of "communists" in 1960's Indonesia: The Act of Killing (available at e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q ). It's sort of understandable why the defenders of the genocide have to keep defending it. Stopping doing so today would mean admitting that until yesterday you've been defending utter inhumanity. A review: > Joshua Oppenheimer’s The Act of Killing is a challenging documentary. It is not only difficult to watch, but it also probes into one of the most grotesque aspects of human nature: the capacity for self-delusion in the face of horrific atrocities. This isn’t a film about history, facts, or statistics; it’s about the memories of the men who killed, the stories they tell themselves, and how they continue to live with the horrors they’ve inflicted on others. The film’s power lies in its ability to take the viewer beyond a surface-level understanding of evil and into the psychological abyss of those who have committed atrocities—and seemingly moved on with their lives. From: https://docthisway.com/2024/09/23/the-act-of-killing-review/ https://docthisway.com/2024/09/23/the-act-of-killing-review/

cess11 8mo ago
It's one of my favourite documentaries, almost as good as The Death of Yugoslavia. For whatever reason YouTube has put age limits on some of the uploads of it, here's the start of one without it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9Zw5fN3rE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9Zw5fN3rE
themgt 8mo ago
The Act of Killing is near the top of my list of underappreciated films. Permanently haunting.
thrance 8mo ago
Thanks for sharing! I will definitely give this a watch.

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 8mo ago

> I was still trying to talk some sense into these people barely two days ago. It's hopeless at this point. I don't think "sense" is the issue. 1) Are you sure you were talking to actual people and not fake personas or even bots? 2) Keep in mind that there is A LOT of money to be made working for Israeli PR. Some people will take that money regardless of what they know is the actual truth. Some examples: - Certain social media influencers being paid up to $7000 per post [1] - Israel boosts propaganda funding by $150m to sway global opinion against genocide [2] [3] - "[...] a firm called Bridges Partners LLC has been hired to manage an influencer network under a project code-named the “Esther Project.” " [4] [1] https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-influencers-netanyahu/ https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-influencers-netanya... [2] https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israel-boosts-propaganda-funding-150-million-sway-global-opinion-against https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/isr... [3] https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/israel-has-spent-millions-trying-win-hearts-and-minds-abroad-its-about-to-spend-20-times-more/ https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/israel-has-spent-m... [4] https://www.jta.org/2025/09/30/united-states/israels-secret-esther-project-doj-filings-reveal-paid-us-influencer-campaign-amid-ai-powered-pr-blitz https://www.jta.org/2025/09/30/united-states/israels-secret-...