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Nonsense look at VW and their cheating scandal (don't look into their history where they actually did work for the actual real Nazis), Elon's hand gesture, whic

Nonsense look at VW and their cheating scandal (don't look into their history where they actually did work for the actual real Nazis), Elon's hand gesture, which was 100% not a nazi salute, is nothing compared to that. VW still sell cars ok.

rootusrootus 7mo ago
> Elon's hand gesture, which was 100% not a nazi salute Yes, much like how the J6 adventure was a guided tour. The problem with assertions like yours is that both of these things were caught on video, which makes them somewhat more difficult to make plausible excuses for. Most of us manage to go our whole lives without getting accused of making nazi salutes, not because we are magic, but because we just don't make them. It's just this one, simple trick!
- small_model 7mo ago
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  - rootusrootus 7mo ago
    Leave the goalposts alone, please. There is video of Elon's two gestures. If it were a photo from an instant in time, you'd have a point. If you would like to counter with video evidence of any other politician doing a correct nazi salute on live TV, please do share.
    - small_model 7mo ago
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      - rootusrootus 7mo ago
        > Typical leftist low IQ trope I gotta say, if you think I am a leftist, then you must be very, very, VERY far to the right.
        lovich 7mo ago
        He’s trying to gaslight everyone who watched video of Musk doing a Sieg Heil salute that it wasn’t a Sieg Heil. He’s probably at the end of the spectrum on right/left politics.
        rootusrootus 7mo ago
        I agree. My BIL is similar, with a completely straight face (and at this point I assume full belief) he calls J6 a guided tour.
        small_model 7mo ago
        I guess the ADL is a far right organisation too. Im done, can’t argue with brainwashed people.
        lovich 7mo ago
        I don’t need to hear ADLs opinion because I watched it with my own eyes. I like the DARVO attempt at calling us brainwashed.
        yibg 7mo ago
        Trusting your own eyes over what someone else says is brainwashed? What kind of ass backwards assessment is this?
        rootusrootus 7mo ago
        The ADL stood very much alone in their assessment, if you might recall. You have latched on to the one organization that agrees with you and completely ignored the rest of the world.
  - bryanlarsen 7mo ago
    Videos exonerate such examples. They definitely do not exonerate Musk.
zzrrt 7mo ago
> don't look into their history where they actually did work for the actual real Nazis If that kind of argument is on the table, also don’t look into Elon’s Nazi-sympathizing grandpa who moved to be able to rule over Blacks, nor his father’s illegal mining under apartheid that funded the Musk family.
- mschuster91 7mo ago
  And his mother isn't any better when it comes to racism herself [1], and her father (=Elon's maternal grandfather) Joshua N. Haldeman was not just an outspoken Apartheid supporter, but a conspiracy peddler and White Nationalist [2][3]. Musk's entire family is rotten to the core if you ask me, it's a surprise he could put up enough of an act to credibly convince liberals for well over a decade that "he's a good one". It's actually been a topic here on HN before but found very, very little resonance [4]. [1] https://www.aol.com/elon-musk-mother-sparks-backlash-170129117.html https://www.aol.com/elon-musk-mother-sparks-backlash-1701291... [2] https://www.derstandard.de/story/3000000263400/elon-musks-fragwuerdige-vordenker-dr-haldeman-und-technocracy-inc https://www.derstandard.de/story/3000000263400/elon-musks-fr... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman [4] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=Haldeman%20Musk&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
  - hermitcrab 7mo ago
    Some of this is covered in the 'Books could kill' podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/elon-musk/id1651876897?i=1000740386838 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/elon-musk/id1651876897... it is quite entertaining, considering the subject matter.
cassepipe 7mo ago
I mean isn't hasn't he been winking to antisemitism in his tweets for some time now ? Reinstated nazi accounts on tweeter ? "Mechahitler" ? It just seems there is a trail

rootusrootus 7mo ago

> Elon's hand gesture, which was 100% not a nazi salute Yes, much like how the J6 adventure was a guided tour. The problem with assertions like yours is that both of these things were caught on video, which makes them somewhat more difficult to make plausible excuses for. Most of us manage to go our whole lives without getting accused of making nazi salutes, not because we are magic, but because we just don't make them. It's just this one, simple trick!

small_model 7mo ago
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- rootusrootus 7mo ago
  Leave the goalposts alone, please. There is video of Elon's two gestures. If it were a photo from an instant in time, you'd have a point. If you would like to counter with video evidence of any other politician doing a correct nazi salute on live TV, please do share.
  - small_model 7mo ago
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    - rootusrootus 7mo ago
      > Typical leftist low IQ trope I gotta say, if you think I am a leftist, then you must be very, very, VERY far to the right.
      - lovich 7mo ago
        He’s trying to gaslight everyone who watched video of Musk doing a Sieg Heil salute that it wasn’t a Sieg Heil. He’s probably at the end of the spectrum on right/left politics.
        rootusrootus 7mo ago
        I agree. My BIL is similar, with a completely straight face (and at this point I assume full belief) he calls J6 a guided tour.
        small_model 7mo ago
        I guess the ADL is a far right organisation too. Im done, can’t argue with brainwashed people.
        lovich 7mo ago
        I don’t need to hear ADLs opinion because I watched it with my own eyes. I like the DARVO attempt at calling us brainwashed.
        yibg 7mo ago
        Trusting your own eyes over what someone else says is brainwashed? What kind of ass backwards assessment is this?
        rootusrootus 7mo ago
        The ADL stood very much alone in their assessment, if you might recall. You have latched on to the one organization that agrees with you and completely ignored the rest of the world.
- bryanlarsen 7mo ago
  Videos exonerate such examples. They definitely do not exonerate Musk.

zzrrt 7mo ago

> don't look into their history where they actually did work for the actual real Nazis If that kind of argument is on the table, also don’t look into Elon’s Nazi-sympathizing grandpa who moved to be able to rule over Blacks, nor his father’s illegal mining under apartheid that funded the Musk family.

mschuster91 7mo ago
And his mother isn't any better when it comes to racism herself [1], and her father (=Elon's maternal grandfather) Joshua N. Haldeman was not just an outspoken Apartheid supporter, but a conspiracy peddler and White Nationalist [2][3]. Musk's entire family is rotten to the core if you ask me, it's a surprise he could put up enough of an act to credibly convince liberals for well over a decade that "he's a good one". It's actually been a topic here on HN before but found very, very little resonance [4]. [1] https://www.aol.com/elon-musk-mother-sparks-backlash-170129117.html https://www.aol.com/elon-musk-mother-sparks-backlash-1701291... [2] https://www.derstandard.de/story/3000000263400/elon-musks-fragwuerdige-vordenker-dr-haldeman-und-technocracy-inc https://www.derstandard.de/story/3000000263400/elon-musks-fr... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman [4] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=Haldeman%20Musk&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- hermitcrab 7mo ago
  Some of this is covered in the 'Books could kill' podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/elon-musk/id1651876897?i=1000740386838 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/elon-musk/id1651876897... it is quite entertaining, considering the subject matter.

cassepipe 7mo ago

I mean isn't hasn't he been winking to antisemitism in his tweets for some time now ? Reinstated nazi accounts on tweeter ? "Mechahitler" ? It just seems there is a trail