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No surprise there. There is so much competition these days and the market is exploding, especially on the lowest end - Dacia's Spring for example is 15.700 €, i

No surprise there. There is so much competition these days and the market is exploding, especially on the lowest end - Dacia's Spring for example is 15.700 €, if you add Germany's subsidies of 6000 € you're at 9.700 € [1] for a brand new car, even if it isn't even made in Romania but in China instead (the fact that this is likely still making a profit despite shipping costs is insane). On the high end, BMW and Mercedes have finally caught up as well, and produce better cars for the same price point with a better support/maintenance infrastructure. Meanwhile, what does Tesla have in production? Dated stuff on the mid to high price range, rumors are they will stop making some models entirely and a "Cybertruck" that not just looks so similar to a dumpster that raccoons confuse it with literal dumpsters [2] but is unable to ever be certified for European roads because its form is seen as a threat to road safety. So that alone has a serious impact on Tesla's sales. Then come the never ending stories about supply chain issues especially for spare parts and the quality control issues - like, WTF, a Cybertruck is 60k? Why should people put up with delaminating glue (and why was glue used in the first place?) or rust issues [3]? So that's another dent in the sales, people don't buy lemons. And finally, the antics of Elon himself and the company in general. The cars are nicknamed "swasticars" ever since Musk's infamous right arm salute, in the Nordic countries (that used to love Tesla) they are refusing to deal with unions for two years now [4], and here in Germany there is a big dispute related to the upcoming works council election (i.e. what y'all Americans would consider an union) [5]. There just aren't that many reasons left to buy a Tesla, and the reasons to buy an ICE vehicle are rapidly going away as well. I'd have zero issues buying a Dacia Spring or a Citroen, if only they'd add a trailer towing hitch that can be used for more than a bicycle rack. [1] https://www.dacia.de/kampagnen/daciaelektrobonus.html https://www.dacia.de/kampagnen/daciaelektrobonus.html [2] https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/animals-mistake-tesla-cybertruck-for-trash/news-story/ad29a6196e36d81215f44b26080b25e4 https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/an... [3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2025/04/21/tesla-cybertruck-suffers-boycotts-recalls-vandalism-and-now-rust/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2025/04/21/tesla-cybe... [4] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-sweden-strikers-tax-issues-if-metall-union-error/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-sweden-strikers-tax-issues-i... [5] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-tesla-charges-trade-union-member-in-ig-metall-fight/a-75913837 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-tesla-charges-trade-union-memb...

tirant 8mo ago
I would say BMW had already caught up with Tesla since they released the BMW i4 and the iX. Both are great EVs surpassing Tesla in some aspects. Probably also the most efficient cars outside Tesla.
- mschuster91 8mo ago
  The i4 is a damn tank, even more so the iX. For the American market both probably are a good fit, but for the German market they're just too big, we're not that SUV-crazed like the American market is thanks to the "SUV loophole". BMWs problem, that set them back quite a bit, was the i3. A solid car on the technical side, but its design was... yuck, and it was designed for a very very limited subset of people. Too small like my 1.58m wife? Even with the seat moved to the maximum forward, uncomfortable (to outright unsafe) to drive, too high like me with 1.87, again uncomfortable to drive but at least I can reach all pedals.
  - sehansen 8mo ago
    I think you're confusing the i4 (a sedan) with the ix4 (a chunky cross-over/SUV). The i4 is the same size as the non-electric BMW 4-series.
small_model 8mo ago
Nonsense look at VW and their cheating scandal (don't look into their history where they actually did work for the actual real Nazis), Elon's hand gesture, which was 100% not a nazi salute, is nothing compared to that. VW still sell cars ok.
- rootusrootus 8mo ago
  > Elon's hand gesture, which was 100% not a nazi salute Yes, much like how the J6 adventure was a guided tour. The problem with assertions like yours is that both of these things were caught on video, which makes them somewhat more difficult to make plausible excuses for. Most of us manage to go our whole lives without getting accused of making nazi salutes, not because we are magic, but because we just don't make them. It's just this one, simple trick!

tirant 8mo ago

I would say BMW had already caught up with Tesla since they released the BMW i4 and the iX. Both are great EVs surpassing Tesla in some aspects. Probably also the most efficient cars outside Tesla.

mschuster91 8mo ago
The i4 is a damn tank, even more so the iX. For the American market both probably are a good fit, but for the German market they're just too big, we're not that SUV-crazed like the American market is thanks to the "SUV loophole". BMWs problem, that set them back quite a bit, was the i3. A solid car on the technical side, but its design was... yuck, and it was designed for a very very limited subset of people. Too small like my 1.58m wife? Even with the seat moved to the maximum forward, uncomfortable (to outright unsafe) to drive, too high like me with 1.87, again uncomfortable to drive but at least I can reach all pedals.
- sehansen 8mo ago
  I think you're confusing the i4 (a sedan) with the ix4 (a chunky cross-over/SUV). The i4 is the same size as the non-electric BMW 4-series.

small_model 8mo ago

Nonsense look at VW and their cheating scandal (don't look into their history where they actually did work for the actual real Nazis), Elon's hand gesture, which was 100% not a nazi salute, is nothing compared to that. VW still sell cars ok.

rootusrootus 8mo ago
> Elon's hand gesture, which was 100% not a nazi salute Yes, much like how the J6 adventure was a guided tour. The problem with assertions like yours is that both of these things were caught on video, which makes them somewhat more difficult to make plausible excuses for. Most of us manage to go our whole lives without getting accused of making nazi salutes, not because we are magic, but because we just don't make them. It's just this one, simple trick!