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DOJ withheld Epstein files related to allegations Trump sexually abused a minor

29 points by pickleglitch 8mo ago

shablulman 8mo ago
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xenospn 8mo ago
To quote Scott Galloway - “Trump’s name is mentioned in the Epstein files more often than Jesus’s name in the bible, and this is why we’re going to bomb Iran”. Can’t really argue with his logic.
- treetalker 8mo ago
  Let's not forget about the aliens (both kinds)!
harambae 8mo ago
What I don’t understand is why Biden didn’t release this then.
- noman-land 8mo ago
  The donor class of both entrenched parties is extremely compromised by the files. It has been and continues to be mutually assured destruction.
  - zeristor 8mo ago
    That would suggest new parties coming to the fore, which has happened in European countries.
- legitster 8mo ago
  The good faith explanation is that one party ran on an independent DoJ and one did not. In which case it's a false equivalency if one party legitimately was letting the FBI cook. The cynical explanation is that the people most implicated in the files are Democratic elites - that just so happens to include Donald Trump back when he was a Democratic elite.
Zigurd 8mo ago
While we are waiting for proof that ahead of state engaged in child rape, we should maybe ponder the fact that credible allegations of child rape means that head of state has been compromised, and isn't making independent decisions in the interests of the nation.
legitster 8mo ago
There are some really salacious things in the files that are probably not true - investigators were required to record all accusations, and there were a lot of tips provided during Trump's first run for office that are probably fabrications. But there's some stuff that is really incriminating. Guiffre was arrested for prostitution BEFORE she was hired at Mar-A-Lago. Another underage survivor recalled a conversation with Ivana about Trump to her psychiatrist. Epstein regularly bragged about both having conversations with Trump and having dirt on him after he was elected. The administration should not be let of the hook - they are still stonewalling on the actual FBI 302 files - AKA, the actual investigation. So far we only know the evidence the FBI collected - not what the evidence is evidence of. We don't know what accusations or stories they are supposed to validate or invalidate.
ndsipa_pomu 8mo ago
From the outside, it looks like the people in the USA support Trump and all his crimes. Surely he should be removed from office by now?
- jfengel 8mo ago
  Not all of the people, to be sure. But a very large minority -- well over a third. And that third is pretty enthusiastic about it, despite (and even possibly because of) his crimes. The bar to removing him from office is extremely high. It requires 2/3 of the Senate. Right now they couldn't muster so much as half. Even after the next election, it won't be anywhere near enough. If the rest of the world feels uneasy about a country with at least 1/3 of its population enthusiastic about being run by a criminal... I don't blame them for pulling away from the country as a whole.
  - ndsipa_pomu 8mo ago
    So, approximately two thirds of the population realise that a criminal child rapist and murderer is not an appropriate choice for holding the position of president (or indeed any position outside of a prison) and yet he's still there. I could just imagine the riots and protests if this happened somewhere like France.
- awnird 8mo ago
  It hasn’t affected his support at all. It really seems like most Americans actually just support raping kids.

29 points by pickleglitch 8mo ago

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To quote Scott Galloway - “Trump’s name is mentioned in the Epstein files more often than Jesus’s name in the bible, and this is why we’re going to bomb Iran”. Can’t really argue with his logic.

treetalker 8mo ago
Let's not forget about the aliens (both kinds)!

harambae 8mo ago

What I don’t understand is why Biden didn’t release this then.

noman-land 8mo ago
The donor class of both entrenched parties is extremely compromised by the files. It has been and continues to be mutually assured destruction.
- zeristor 8mo ago
  That would suggest new parties coming to the fore, which has happened in European countries.
legitster 8mo ago
The good faith explanation is that one party ran on an independent DoJ and one did not. In which case it's a false equivalency if one party legitimately was letting the FBI cook. The cynical explanation is that the people most implicated in the files are Democratic elites - that just so happens to include Donald Trump back when he was a Democratic elite.

Zigurd 8mo ago

While we are waiting for proof that ahead of state engaged in child rape, we should maybe ponder the fact that credible allegations of child rape means that head of state has been compromised, and isn't making independent decisions in the interests of the nation.

legitster 8mo ago

There are some really salacious things in the files that are probably not true - investigators were required to record all accusations, and there were a lot of tips provided during Trump's first run for office that are probably fabrications. But there's some stuff that is really incriminating. Guiffre was arrested for prostitution BEFORE she was hired at Mar-A-Lago. Another underage survivor recalled a conversation with Ivana about Trump to her psychiatrist. Epstein regularly bragged about both having conversations with Trump and having dirt on him after he was elected. The administration should not be let of the hook - they are still stonewalling on the actual FBI 302 files - AKA, the actual investigation. So far we only know the evidence the FBI collected - not what the evidence is evidence of. We don't know what accusations or stories they are supposed to validate or invalidate.

ndsipa_pomu 8mo ago

From the outside, it looks like the people in the USA support Trump and all his crimes. Surely he should be removed from office by now?

jfengel 8mo ago
Not all of the people, to be sure. But a very large minority -- well over a third. And that third is pretty enthusiastic about it, despite (and even possibly because of) his crimes. The bar to removing him from office is extremely high. It requires 2/3 of the Senate. Right now they couldn't muster so much as half. Even after the next election, it won't be anywhere near enough. If the rest of the world feels uneasy about a country with at least 1/3 of its population enthusiastic about being run by a criminal... I don't blame them for pulling away from the country as a whole.
- ndsipa_pomu 8mo ago
  So, approximately two thirds of the population realise that a criminal child rapist and murderer is not an appropriate choice for holding the position of president (or indeed any position outside of a prison) and yet he's still there. I could just imagine the riots and protests if this happened somewhere like France.
awnird 8mo ago
It hasn’t affected his support at all. It really seems like most Americans actually just support raping kids.