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The history of knocking on wood

54 points by benbreen 7mo ago

davidw 7mo ago
As someone who was around in the 90ies, I think I would have found a way to work in the Bosstones, but it's pretty interesting just the same. I'll also have to look up what people write about "tocca ferro" in Italian.
- aregue 7mo ago
  The same expression "tocar ferro" was used traditionally in Catalan instead of knock on wood. Ferro translates as iron. Iron in this expression refers to a sword. More than trusting in good luck or some sort of supra natural protection, the expression "tocar ferro" conveys a sense of self reliance, of being prepared and confident.
  - Kuyawa 7mo ago
    "Pack heat" may be a modern use
datawars 7mo ago
Not uncommon that people will knock on their heads if nothing wooden is in arm‘s reach. (Which - head of wood - which I always see as a nice little act of humility)
bananaflag 7mo ago
> Most of human nature is never written down — and machines can't learn it from text Well, the conclusion of the article is that humans cannot either, it's not like humans have some magical conduit towards truth.
- darkwater 7mo ago
  Why? I think the gist of the article is that there is a lot never clearly written down information that's passing between generations.
pimlottc 7mo ago
It’s a fun article and interesting to muse over but I’m always skeptical of these kind of drive-by data analyses actually mean much. 1. Take a bunch of easily available data (which hasn’t been validated for completeness, accuracy, bias, etc) 2. Apply some easily available algorithmic analysis (that the author doesn’t have a deep understand of) 3. Put it in an easily available visualization (that has been chosen primarily to look nice) 4. Draw some conclusions and assert that is backed by data They feel rigorous because “wow so much data” and novel because “you couldn’t do this before computers + internet” but there are so many ways to get it wrong and reach different conclusions if your data is bad or your algorithms are misapplied.
- inanutshellus 7mo ago
  I honestly didn't feel like the article even feigned rigor. It felt like some parent's personal blog ruminating on an idea, not an "article". Claude followed links on a single Wikipedia article and visualized the results geographically for one image so the author could keep talking about how we (and he) know basically nothing. Doesn't seem like it belongs on HN.
  - pimlottc 7mo ago
    You're right, maybe I'm being a little mean to a personal blog post. It's just something I see all the time in other contexts as well. And we'll probably see it more and more with vibe coding.
    - inanutshellus 7mo ago
      I didn't think you were being mean, I thought you were giving them too much credit. Ha! =)

54 points by benbreen 7mo ago

As someone who was around in the 90ies, I think I would have found a way to work in the Bosstones, but it's pretty interesting just the same. I'll also have to look up what people write about "tocca ferro" in Italian.

aregue 7mo ago
The same expression "tocar ferro" was used traditionally in Catalan instead of knock on wood. Ferro translates as iron. Iron in this expression refers to a sword. More than trusting in good luck or some sort of supra natural protection, the expression "tocar ferro" conveys a sense of self reliance, of being prepared and confident.
- Kuyawa 7mo ago
  "Pack heat" may be a modern use

datawars 7mo ago

Not uncommon that people will knock on their heads if nothing wooden is in arm‘s reach. (Which - head of wood - which I always see as a nice little act of humility)

bananaflag 7mo ago

> Most of human nature is never written down — and machines can't learn it from text Well, the conclusion of the article is that humans cannot either, it's not like humans have some magical conduit towards truth.

darkwater 7mo ago
Why? I think the gist of the article is that there is a lot never clearly written down information that's passing between generations.

pimlottc 7mo ago

It’s a fun article and interesting to muse over but I’m always skeptical of these kind of drive-by data analyses actually mean much. 1. Take a bunch of easily available data (which hasn’t been validated for completeness, accuracy, bias, etc) 2. Apply some easily available algorithmic analysis (that the author doesn’t have a deep understand of) 3. Put it in an easily available visualization (that has been chosen primarily to look nice) 4. Draw some conclusions and assert that is backed by data They feel rigorous because “wow so much data” and novel because “you couldn’t do this before computers + internet” but there are so many ways to get it wrong and reach different conclusions if your data is bad or your algorithms are misapplied.

inanutshellus 7mo ago
I honestly didn't feel like the article even feigned rigor. It felt like some parent's personal blog ruminating on an idea, not an "article". Claude followed links on a single Wikipedia article and visualized the results geographically for one image so the author could keep talking about how we (and he) know basically nothing. Doesn't seem like it belongs on HN.
- pimlottc 7mo ago
  You're right, maybe I'm being a little mean to a personal blog post. It's just something I see all the time in other contexts as well. And we'll probably see it more and more with vibe coding.
  - inanutshellus 7mo ago
    I didn't think you were being mean, I thought you were giving them too much credit. Ha! =)