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Do you know what the difference between an assurance and a guarantee is? There was no formal treaty declared. Russia could say that Ukraine violated provisions

Do you know what the difference between an assurance and a guarantee is? There was no formal treaty declared. Russia could say that Ukraine violated provisions in the agreements, and has said so. Who is right? It actually is quite complicated, but you choose to reduce the situation to black and white. There's unlikely to be peace by design - because the war isn't about Ukrainian sovereignty it's about genociding slavs on both sides of the conflict. You clearly haven't read the book War is a Racket, which is why you don't understand that all wars - including the one in Ukraine - are fought to benefit a select few at the expense of the populations of the nations involved. Your proposed solution for stopping the war is a non-starter because that's not how wars work - it's delusional to think it would ever happen.

wat10000 8mo ago
So what does peace look like? You say he should sue for peace. Does that mean proposing that Russia retreat to pre-2014 borders? Pre-2022 borders? Borders at the current front lines? Something in between? What do you think would work? The fact that you can’t describe what Zelenskyy should do to stop the bleeding beyond a uselessly vague “sue for peace” tells me that your objection isn’t really Zelenskyy’s handling of the war, your objection is to the fact that he exists as the leader of a place that Russia wants.
- tinfoilhatter 8mo ago
  > So what does peace look like? You say he should sue for peace Yes, if he actually wanted peace and to preserve the lives of his working-age male population he would concede some territory for some sort of security guarantee (not assurance). Instead he traps his entire working-age male population in the country and conscripts them off the street. If Russia wanted peace and to preserve the lives of their working-age male population, they would be more willing to negotiate terms of surrender for Ukraine, or withdraw from the Ukraine completely. Clearly neither side wants peace. So the war continues. Every single time peace talks happen, one side or the other sabotages them. This is by design. > your objection isn’t really Zelenskyy’s handling of the war, your objection is to the fact that he exists as the leader of a place that Russia wants No? The conflict is not about Russia wanting Ukraine or Ukrainian sovereignty as I have stated multiple times. It's about genociding slavs. There's a reason that negotiators on both sides of the table share something in common in terms of their identity. Wars aren't organic, they are orchestrated by certain factions of people that want to create a society / world in their ideal order. The Ukraine conflict is part of their plan. It's been written and spoken about many times in recent decades. If you haven't figured that out yet and are still relying on the Putin bad logic to explain this conflict, I don't know what else I can tell you. Do I think Zelenskyy suing for peace is at all realistic? No. You also asked a completely unrealistic question, because the goal isn't peace or territorial gain, it's genocide of slavs.
  - wat10000 8mo ago
    Which certain factions of people are orchestrating this war?
    - tinfoilhatter 8mo ago
      The same factions of people that have been attempting to usher in the Noahide new world order / great work for millenia. [1] https://ordoabchao.ca/volume-one/introduction https://ordoabchao.ca/volume-one/introduction
      - wat10000 8mo ago
        Crackpot bullshit, got it.
      - tinfoilhatter 8mo ago
        > Crackpot bullshit I'd reply to your comment directly, but HN is preventing me for whatever reason. Hysterical reply though! I'm sure you said that elites trafficking children to an Island was crackpot bullshit too, until it wasn't. I understand that you need your worldview to fit into a tiny, neat little logical box that makes you feel virtuous and safe. Unfortunately for you, reality has other plans.
        wat10000 8mo ago
        Oh, I don't feel safe. It's just I'm worried about realistic threats like global war caused by a bunch of idiot assholes becoming heads of state, not some shadowy cabal orchestrating a pandemic in order to force vaccines on the population.
        tinfoilhatter 8mo ago
        > Oh, I don't feel safe. It's just I'm worried about realistic threats like global war caused by a bunch of idiot assholes becoming heads of state, not some shadowy cabal orchestrating a pandemic in order to force vaccines on the population. Those idiot assholes that have become heads of state are the public face of said shadowy cabal. The pandemic was just one facet of their plan, and the war in Ukraine is another. I also didn't mention the pandemic once, and the link I sent you to talks about far more than just the pandemic. I'm not sure how you can discount a shadowy cabal after what we've learned recently with global pedophile rings of elites trafficking children, that include current and former heads of state. Maybe dots simply aren't connecting for you? The word realistic in relation to world affairs has lost a lot of meaning given current events, wouldn't you agree?

wat10000 8mo ago

So what does peace look like? You say he should sue for peace. Does that mean proposing that Russia retreat to pre-2014 borders? Pre-2022 borders? Borders at the current front lines? Something in between? What do you think would work? The fact that you can’t describe what Zelenskyy should do to stop the bleeding beyond a uselessly vague “sue for peace” tells me that your objection isn’t really Zelenskyy’s handling of the war, your objection is to the fact that he exists as the leader of a place that Russia wants.

tinfoilhatter 8mo ago
> So what does peace look like? You say he should sue for peace Yes, if he actually wanted peace and to preserve the lives of his working-age male population he would concede some territory for some sort of security guarantee (not assurance). Instead he traps his entire working-age male population in the country and conscripts them off the street. If Russia wanted peace and to preserve the lives of their working-age male population, they would be more willing to negotiate terms of surrender for Ukraine, or withdraw from the Ukraine completely. Clearly neither side wants peace. So the war continues. Every single time peace talks happen, one side or the other sabotages them. This is by design. > your objection isn’t really Zelenskyy’s handling of the war, your objection is to the fact that he exists as the leader of a place that Russia wants No? The conflict is not about Russia wanting Ukraine or Ukrainian sovereignty as I have stated multiple times. It's about genociding slavs. There's a reason that negotiators on both sides of the table share something in common in terms of their identity. Wars aren't organic, they are orchestrated by certain factions of people that want to create a society / world in their ideal order. The Ukraine conflict is part of their plan. It's been written and spoken about many times in recent decades. If you haven't figured that out yet and are still relying on the Putin bad logic to explain this conflict, I don't know what else I can tell you. Do I think Zelenskyy suing for peace is at all realistic? No. You also asked a completely unrealistic question, because the goal isn't peace or territorial gain, it's genocide of slavs.
- wat10000 8mo ago
  Which certain factions of people are orchestrating this war?
  - tinfoilhatter 8mo ago
    The same factions of people that have been attempting to usher in the Noahide new world order / great work for millenia. [1] https://ordoabchao.ca/volume-one/introduction https://ordoabchao.ca/volume-one/introduction
    - wat10000 8mo ago
      Crackpot bullshit, got it.
    - tinfoilhatter 8mo ago
      > Crackpot bullshit I'd reply to your comment directly, but HN is preventing me for whatever reason. Hysterical reply though! I'm sure you said that elites trafficking children to an Island was crackpot bullshit too, until it wasn't. I understand that you need your worldview to fit into a tiny, neat little logical box that makes you feel virtuous and safe. Unfortunately for you, reality has other plans.
      - wat10000 8mo ago
        Oh, I don't feel safe. It's just I'm worried about realistic threats like global war caused by a bunch of idiot assholes becoming heads of state, not some shadowy cabal orchestrating a pandemic in order to force vaccines on the population.
      - tinfoilhatter 8mo ago
        > Oh, I don't feel safe. It's just I'm worried about realistic threats like global war caused by a bunch of idiot assholes becoming heads of state, not some shadowy cabal orchestrating a pandemic in order to force vaccines on the population. Those idiot assholes that have become heads of state are the public face of said shadowy cabal. The pandemic was just one facet of their plan, and the war in Ukraine is another. I also didn't mention the pandemic once, and the link I sent you to talks about far more than just the pandemic. I'm not sure how you can discount a shadowy cabal after what we've learned recently with global pedophile rings of elites trafficking children, that include current and former heads of state. Maybe dots simply aren't connecting for you? The word realistic in relation to world affairs has lost a lot of meaning given current events, wouldn't you agree?