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for every one like you I’ve worked with there are about 25 that went to school and got formal degree in their field and it showed at work. and the “you” I encou

for every one like you I’ve worked with there are about 25 that went to school and got formal degree in their field and it showed at work. and the “you” I encountered were all exceptional which you definitely sound like you are as well. but you are an exception. try getting a job anywhere in any industry (particularly ours) with “i am self-thought _____” - you’d likely be put into “code bootcamp candidate” bucket and never get a chance to even show what you are made of.

jleyank 8mo ago
Judging from the recent hiring commentary, those from school with proper degrees aren’t going to be hired either. At least not hired until the AI hype dies down. As I said, it’s the practice and results - what code you’ve made and how it’s used. Gotta rise above the madding crowd. Now, I’m not sure the managers even care about anything other than reducing headcount. And I wasn’t saying not get a degree, merely not get one in cs. Get one where da can be applied.
- bdangubic 8mo ago
  > And I wasn’t saying not get a degree, merely not get one in cs. Get one where da can be applied. example?
  - jleyank 8mo ago
    Engineering, Chemistry, Biology to start. Simulation, property prediction, implementation of AI/ML, data and model validation, databasing, e-notebooks, structure elucidation... Lots of stuff uses computers to facilitate how projects move forward.
    - bdangubic 8mo ago
      this makes sense but EOD say you are in charge of recruiting, you are team lead and ultimately the buck stops with you - you are hiring for entry-level SWE position. you have two candidates from the same school, one is a CS grad and one has a degree in Biology or Chemistry. all else being similar-ish who do you hire? I can tell you from my experience that CS grad will get the nod. one of the best developers I have ever worked with had a degree in Physics and no "formal" hacking training so after my time in the industry I will carefully review the candidate through and through but I think overall the CS grad will get the nod. maybe things will be different in the future, our industry is rapidly changing in front of our eyes but as a Dad I can tell you that if my kid wanted a career like mine (God I hope not :) ) I would advise her to get a CS-ish degree

jleyank 8mo ago

Judging from the recent hiring commentary, those from school with proper degrees aren’t going to be hired either. At least not hired until the AI hype dies down. As I said, it’s the practice and results - what code you’ve made and how it’s used. Gotta rise above the madding crowd. Now, I’m not sure the managers even care about anything other than reducing headcount. And I wasn’t saying not get a degree, merely not get one in cs. Get one where da can be applied.

bdangubic 8mo ago
> And I wasn’t saying not get a degree, merely not get one in cs. Get one where da can be applied. example?
- jleyank 8mo ago
  Engineering, Chemistry, Biology to start. Simulation, property prediction, implementation of AI/ML, data and model validation, databasing, e-notebooks, structure elucidation... Lots of stuff uses computers to facilitate how projects move forward.
  - bdangubic 8mo ago
    this makes sense but EOD say you are in charge of recruiting, you are team lead and ultimately the buck stops with you - you are hiring for entry-level SWE position. you have two candidates from the same school, one is a CS grad and one has a degree in Biology or Chemistry. all else being similar-ish who do you hire? I can tell you from my experience that CS grad will get the nod. one of the best developers I have ever worked with had a degree in Physics and no "formal" hacking training so after my time in the industry I will carefully review the candidate through and through but I think overall the CS grad will get the nod. maybe things will be different in the future, our industry is rapidly changing in front of our eyes but as a Dad I can tell you that if my kid wanted a career like mine (God I hope not :) ) I would advise her to get a CS-ish degree