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I think that a lot of people are irked by the sheer inconsistency of the American culture: celebrate your immigrant heritage at the same time you protect “your”

I think that a lot of people are irked by the sheer inconsistency of the American culture: celebrate your immigrant heritage at the same time you protect “your” American land and keep those pesky immigrants out. Not personal.

poooka 8mo ago
There's a depth to what you're saying that I don't think you're truly aware of..."flooding the block" -- or the mass importation of immigrants to build a political machine -- has been part of my country's politics since the Tammany Hall days (political machines). Tale as old as time in the US and it's one of the reasons why there's so much skepticism. Like what you said here, we KNOW how this works because at some point we were the Irish\Italian\or Mexican that got shipped in. We're not blind to party politics and ginning up house delegates or patronage politics.
Throaway1982 8mo ago
Really so its okay if a Canadian, Australian or New Zealander does it?
- samaltmanfried 8mo ago
  It wouldn't be. But they never do it, so I don't have to worry about it.
  - Throaway1982 7mo ago
    ???? I live in Canada and people say this all the time. Always have. Had a friend growing up from an Italian-German family. Ate schnitzel, watched soccer, corrected us on our pronunciation of 'pasta.' Didn't speak any language other than English and his parents were 2nd generation Canadians, who also spoke nothing but English. My family came from Ukraine & Ireland 4 & 3 generations ago, respectively. Family gatherings always included halupschi, perogies, and Ukrainian pastries. Never spoke Ukrainian or heard any word of Ukrainian except for the names of the food & of some of my older relatives. Can easily go on and on about the vast majority of people in Canada. So I dont think you know what you're talking about.
    - samaltmanfried 7mo ago
      > perogies Do you mean "pierogi," the Polish dumplings? > halupschi I have no idea what this is. Are you talking about галушка? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halu%C5%A1ky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halu%C5%A1ky) > Didn't speak any language other than English and his parents were 2nd generation Canadians, who also spoke nothing but English. > Never spoke Ukrainian or heard any word of Ukrainian except for the names of the food & of some of my older relatives. This insanely non-self-aware post perfectly illustrates my point.

poooka 8mo ago

There's a depth to what you're saying that I don't think you're truly aware of..."flooding the block" -- or the mass importation of immigrants to build a political machine -- has been part of my country's politics since the Tammany Hall days (political machines). Tale as old as time in the US and it's one of the reasons why there's so much skepticism. Like what you said here, we KNOW how this works because at some point we were the Irish\Italian\or Mexican that got shipped in. We're not blind to party politics and ginning up house delegates or patronage politics.

Throaway1982 8mo ago

Really so its okay if a Canadian, Australian or New Zealander does it?

samaltmanfried 8mo ago
It wouldn't be. But they never do it, so I don't have to worry about it.
- Throaway1982 7mo ago
  ???? I live in Canada and people say this all the time. Always have. Had a friend growing up from an Italian-German family. Ate schnitzel, watched soccer, corrected us on our pronunciation of 'pasta.' Didn't speak any language other than English and his parents were 2nd generation Canadians, who also spoke nothing but English. My family came from Ukraine & Ireland 4 & 3 generations ago, respectively. Family gatherings always included halupschi, perogies, and Ukrainian pastries. Never spoke Ukrainian or heard any word of Ukrainian except for the names of the food & of some of my older relatives. Can easily go on and on about the vast majority of people in Canada. So I dont think you know what you're talking about.
  - samaltmanfried 7mo ago
    > perogies Do you mean "pierogi," the Polish dumplings? > halupschi I have no idea what this is. Are you talking about галушка? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halu%C5%A1ky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halu%C5%A1ky) > Didn't speak any language other than English and his parents were 2nd generation Canadians, who also spoke nothing but English. > Never spoke Ukrainian or heard any word of Ukrainian except for the names of the food & of some of my older relatives. This insanely non-self-aware post perfectly illustrates my point.