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People largely weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax either so I'm not sure how that's a relevant analogy. The response to Covid was far

People largely weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax either so I'm not sure how that's a relevant analogy. The response to Covid was far more disruptive to my life than the disease itself, which would obviously not be the case with starvation.

singleshot_ 8mo ago
> weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax Have you treated many patients with COVID? I’ve heard the opposite of your claim from those who have.
- mothballed 8mo ago
  People with first hand experience offering counterpoints like Dr Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi did but unfortunately their videos explaining their side of the story were conveniently removed from places your YouTube -- while conveniently leaving the videos remaining to hear the kind of stories you heard.
  - Retric 8mo ago
    Step back a moment and ask yourself, “How exactly would Dr Dan Erickson know if someone else’s patient said this?” There was massive regional differences in how different parts of the country and even different parts of the same state responded to COVID.
  - defrost 8mo ago
    The issue was their extrapolation of their local keyhole perception to the entire country. Flawed in many ways: https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19-alert/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19-alert/covid-19-articles...
  - singleshot_ 8mo ago
    Was this a yes or a no?
- ethbr1 8mo ago
  As the husband at the time of a military critical care nurse who worked local ED in a major US city and deployed to New York -- yes, there were absolutely people who denied they had COVID even as they were being intubated. Most people tended to accept reality when their body started failing, but there were a non-zero number that refused to believe they were infected with coronavirus to the end. Politicians and social media click farmers spouting lies do influence people, and not everyone starts with a basic understanding of biology and/or science.
llbeansandrice 8mo ago
> People largely weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax There were actually lots of people doing exactly this. Perhaps "largely" is the key word here but there were plenty of people dying of covid and refusing ventilators because they believed it was a conspiracy theory.
- netsharc 8mo ago
  Apparently the virus was able to ruin cognitive function that people struggling to breathe thought they're fine. (Ok, it seems too convenient that the virus can do this...).
  - temp8830 8mo ago
    Nobody (OK, maybe a few very special people) is saying that COVID was a hoax. What is true - and one wasn't allowed to say - was that the measures intended to prevent COVID weren't very effective and did more harm than good. Ah yes you say, another psycho. He probably eats ivermectin for breakfast and chases it with bleach. But I ask you, after a chlorinated burp: how come Africa didn't die out? Why was the death rate pretty much the same in Florida and California? Did the EU really need to buy enough vaccine for ten-plus years?
    - netsharc 8mo ago
      > What is true - and one wasn't allowed to say - was that the measures intended to prevent COVID weren't very effective and did more harm than good. But yet here you are saying it. Whether it's true or not probably requires a great deal of analysis, but your self-applied "psycho" label may be accurate enough if you've managed to apply lots of cognitive biases to end up with your "truth". I'd agree the governments overreacted in many sense, but a non BoJo/Trump-government has a duty to be overcautious rather than a flippant attitude of "So what, x% dead is acceptable". Some other rules are based on dumb science: two meters distance from each other is probably a joke, a compromise between "keep everyone at home!" (what China did when there was a breakout) and a "Keep going to the pubs!", my own theory is that if you could smell someone's cigarette smoke from 2 meters away, virus particles being exhaled from their lungs would reach you too. Later we figured out getting the virus from surfaces is very unlikely, but people were still wiping surfaces down anyway...
toofy 8mo ago
many people i know personally who, to this day deny covid was real, they personally knew people who died or were hospitalized and ventilated. yet they still deny it was real. one of my family members who was in a coma for over a month and in the hospital for months still denies it was covid despite multiple doctors telling him otherwise. some people live in a very real state of denial entirely separated from reality. sadly i’m not sure the person you replied to is too far off.
- ryandrake 8mo ago
  Same here. The extreme politicization of the disease, plus the social isolation, plus over reliance on inflammatory social media as one's only channel to the outside world, fully broke some people's grip on reality. Permanently for some.

singleshot_ 8mo ago

> weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax Have you treated many patients with COVID? I’ve heard the opposite of your claim from those who have.

mothballed 8mo ago
People with first hand experience offering counterpoints like Dr Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi did but unfortunately their videos explaining their side of the story were conveniently removed from places your YouTube -- while conveniently leaving the videos remaining to hear the kind of stories you heard.
- Retric 8mo ago
  Step back a moment and ask yourself, “How exactly would Dr Dan Erickson know if someone else’s patient said this?” There was massive regional differences in how different parts of the country and even different parts of the same state responded to COVID.
- defrost 8mo ago
  The issue was their extrapolation of their local keyhole perception to the entire country. Flawed in many ways: https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19-alert/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19-alert/covid-19-articles...
- singleshot_ 8mo ago
  Was this a yes or a no?
ethbr1 8mo ago
As the husband at the time of a military critical care nurse who worked local ED in a major US city and deployed to New York -- yes, there were absolutely people who denied they had COVID even as they were being intubated. Most people tended to accept reality when their body started failing, but there were a non-zero number that refused to believe they were infected with coronavirus to the end. Politicians and social media click farmers spouting lies do influence people, and not everyone starts with a basic understanding of biology and/or science.

llbeansandrice 8mo ago

> People largely weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax There were actually lots of people doing exactly this. Perhaps "largely" is the key word here but there were plenty of people dying of covid and refusing ventilators because they believed it was a conspiracy theory.

netsharc 8mo ago
Apparently the virus was able to ruin cognitive function that people struggling to breathe thought they're fine. (Ok, it seems too convenient that the virus can do this...).
- temp8830 8mo ago
  Nobody (OK, maybe a few very special people) is saying that COVID was a hoax. What is true - and one wasn't allowed to say - was that the measures intended to prevent COVID weren't very effective and did more harm than good. Ah yes you say, another psycho. He probably eats ivermectin for breakfast and chases it with bleach. But I ask you, after a chlorinated burp: how come Africa didn't die out? Why was the death rate pretty much the same in Florida and California? Did the EU really need to buy enough vaccine for ten-plus years?
  - netsharc 8mo ago
    > What is true - and one wasn't allowed to say - was that the measures intended to prevent COVID weren't very effective and did more harm than good. But yet here you are saying it. Whether it's true or not probably requires a great deal of analysis, but your self-applied "psycho" label may be accurate enough if you've managed to apply lots of cognitive biases to end up with your "truth". I'd agree the governments overreacted in many sense, but a non BoJo/Trump-government has a duty to be overcautious rather than a flippant attitude of "So what, x% dead is acceptable". Some other rules are based on dumb science: two meters distance from each other is probably a joke, a compromise between "keep everyone at home!" (what China did when there was a breakout) and a "Keep going to the pubs!", my own theory is that if you could smell someone's cigarette smoke from 2 meters away, virus particles being exhaled from their lungs would reach you too. Later we figured out getting the virus from surfaces is very unlikely, but people were still wiping surfaces down anyway...

toofy 8mo ago

many people i know personally who, to this day deny covid was real, they personally knew people who died or were hospitalized and ventilated. yet they still deny it was real. one of my family members who was in a coma for over a month and in the hospital for months still denies it was covid despite multiple doctors telling him otherwise. some people live in a very real state of denial entirely separated from reality. sadly i’m not sure the person you replied to is too far off.

ryandrake 8mo ago
Same here. The extreme politicization of the disease, plus the social isolation, plus over reliance on inflammatory social media as one's only channel to the outside world, fully broke some people's grip on reality. Permanently for some.