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I strongly suspect that somebody with domain knowledge around Wi-Fi drivers and OS kernel drivers could prompt the llm to spit out a lot more robust code than

by petcat 8mo ago

I strongly suspect that somebody with domain knowledge around Wi-Fi drivers and OS kernel drivers could prompt the llm to spit out a lot more robust code than this guy was able to. That's not a knock on him, he was just trying to see what he could do. It's impressive what he actually accomplished given how little effort he put forth and how little knowledge he had about the subject.

slopinthebag 8mo ago
Someone with domain knowledge could also just write the code instead of trying to get the stochastic prediction machine to generate it. I thought the whole point was to allow people without said expertise to generate it. After all, that seems to be the promise.
- garciasn 8mo ago
  Clearly there wasn't much appetite for someone to do that.
- luckydata 8mo ago
  It will be like that at some point soon, just not now. Are you trying to make the point that because this technology is not yet perfect the fact that it can already do so much is unimpressive?
  - slopinthebag 8mo ago
    Will it happen before or after we get fusion energy? I heard that was coming soon too.
- cortesoft 8mo ago
  > Someone with domain knowledge could also just write the code instead of trying to get the stochastic prediction machine to generate it. Well, people with the domain knowledge exist, yet they have not yet written this driver... why not? Because there is other code those experts want to write, and they don't have time to write it all... but what if they could just give a fairly straightforward prompt and have the LLM do it for them? And if it only took minor tweaks to the prompt to have it write drivers for all the myriad combinations of hardware and software? At that point, there might be enough time to write it all. Just because people exist that can DO all the work doesn't mean we have enough person-hours to do ALL the work.
  - dollylambda 8mo ago
    > Because there is other code those experts want to write, and they don't have time to write it all... but what if they could just give a fairly straightforward prompt and have the LLM do it for them? Then pretty soon they wouldn't be the experts anymore?
    - cortesoft 8mo ago
      Maybe? But you could make the same argument that programmers today aren't "experts" at computers because they don't know how to build CPUs. There is no reason to believe you can't gain expertise while still using higher and higher level abstractions. Yes, you will lose some of that low level expertise, but you can still be an expert at the problem set itself.
      - balder1991 8mo ago
        The way I see it, this is only possible because you can trust the lower layers work reliably and predictably enough that you can move up. If your operating system was regenerated every day slightly differently and with certain things working and others not, you’d quickly revert to the lower predictable abstraction.
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ctoth 8mo ago
@petcat Is your nickname a description or an instruction?

by petcat 8mo ago

slopinthebag 8mo ago

Someone with domain knowledge could also just write the code instead of trying to get the stochastic prediction machine to generate it. I thought the whole point was to allow people without said expertise to generate it. After all, that seems to be the promise.

garciasn 8mo ago
Clearly there wasn't much appetite for someone to do that.
luckydata 8mo ago
It will be like that at some point soon, just not now. Are you trying to make the point that because this technology is not yet perfect the fact that it can already do so much is unimpressive?
- slopinthebag 8mo ago
  Will it happen before or after we get fusion energy? I heard that was coming soon too.
cortesoft 8mo ago
> Someone with domain knowledge could also just write the code instead of trying to get the stochastic prediction machine to generate it. Well, people with the domain knowledge exist, yet they have not yet written this driver... why not? Because there is other code those experts want to write, and they don't have time to write it all... but what if they could just give a fairly straightforward prompt and have the LLM do it for them? And if it only took minor tweaks to the prompt to have it write drivers for all the myriad combinations of hardware and software? At that point, there might be enough time to write it all. Just because people exist that can DO all the work doesn't mean we have enough person-hours to do ALL the work.
- dollylambda 8mo ago
  > Because there is other code those experts want to write, and they don't have time to write it all... but what if they could just give a fairly straightforward prompt and have the LLM do it for them? Then pretty soon they wouldn't be the experts anymore?
  - cortesoft 8mo ago
    Maybe? But you could make the same argument that programmers today aren't "experts" at computers because they don't know how to build CPUs. There is no reason to believe you can't gain expertise while still using higher and higher level abstractions. Yes, you will lose some of that low level expertise, but you can still be an expert at the problem set itself.
    - balder1991 8mo ago
      The way I see it, this is only possible because you can trust the lower layers work reliably and predictably enough that you can move up. If your operating system was regenerated every day slightly differently and with certain things working and others not, you’d quickly revert to the lower predictable abstraction.
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ctoth 8mo ago

@petcat Is your nickname a description or an instruction?